Hillary & Iraq

[GazzaQueen]

Hillary the harpie - rapacious destroyer of nations

We came, we saw, he died. Bwack ack ack splug.

 

[Getin the ring]

Any "normal" person would have some problem with any candidate in the partisan time we live in.
But after listening to both Hillary and Donald, weighing in the corrupt political life Hillary had led, the constant lying. It became apparent the lesser of two evils
was Donald. We vote, then we are supposed to get on with the business of the country with the winning candidate being at the wheel.
That's the American way.

But unfortunately the cupcakes need the drama, and Americas interest is on the back burner until we let them finish burying their party so deep they may never see sunlight again.
Which in the end may be the best way looking a generation ahead.

With Obama's 8 year debacle and the possibility of a Hillary 8 years this country would have been a mere shell of itself heading into the 2020's.
We are celebrating killing babies, letting grown men dressed as women use the bathroom with our wives and daughters, and treating "illegals" better than our own citizens.
allowing the possibility of ISIS into our country in a Trojan horse for no apparent reason other than partisan whining.

God himself laid his hand on the November election and gave us one more chance to get it right, let's not waste it. I don't want to live in a third world culture

 

[Lightbringer]

Any "normal" person would have some problem with any candidate in the partisan time we live in.

Why did you put the word normal in quotes?

 

[Getin the ring]

Why did you put the word normal in quotes?

because in post #174, (your post)

you referred to "normal" person when speaking of why people vote a certain way.

look, you don't have to follow along but at least remember your own posts

 

[Lightbringer]

because in post #174, (your post"

you refered to "normal" person when speaking of why people vote a certain way.

look, you don't have to follow along but at least remember your own posts

I think you missed the point. If you had a point to make to me then you should have just quoted me instead of being a pussy and using the indirect approach.

Now that we have that out of the way, you didn't understand what I said. I didn't comment on how people voted. All I said was that many people had problems with both candidates and that group covers Americans across the spectrum so it wasn't about how they ended up voting. If in the future you have any questions about what I meant you can just ask me instead of choosing to misinterpret and then being a passive-aggressive little bitch...unless misinterpretation is more convenient for you.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Any "normal" person would have some problem with any candidate in the partisan time we live in.
But after listening to both Hillary and Donald, weighing in the corrupt political life Hillary had led, the constant lying. It became apparent the lesser of two evils
was Donald. We vote, then we are supposed to get on with the business of the country with the winning candidate being at the wheel.
That's the American way.

But unfortunately the cupcakes need the drama, and Americas interest is on the back burner until we let them finish burying their party so deep they may never see sunlight again.
Which in the end may be the best way looking a generation ahead.

With Obama's 8 year debacle and the possibility of a Hillary 8 years this country would have been a mere shell of itself heading into the 2020's.
We are celebrating killing babies, letting grown men dressed as women use the bathroom with our wives and daughters, and treating "illegals" better than our own citizens.
allowing the possibility of ISIS into our country in a Trojan horse for no apparent reason other than partisan whining.

God himself laid his hand on the November election and gave us one more chance to get it right, let's not waste it. I don't want to live in a third world culture

Frankly, I blame the GOP more than I blame Dems.

At least when it comes to voters. Dems screwed over their voters by trying to coronate Hillary & keeping the field limited, and then working against Sanders when it looked like he had a chance (bet they didn't see that one coming). But Dem primary voters didn't have much of a choice.

The GOP had some very good candidates. Kasich would have been in outstanding President, imo. But the primary voters chose this election for a pure "eff you" candidate, because they wanted to stick it to the media and to the "elites." That's inexcusable, and we're seeing the results.

 

[Lightbringer]

The GOP had some very good candidates. Kasich would have been in outstanding President, imo. But the primary voters chose this election for a pure "eff you" candidate, because they wanted to stick it to the media and to the "elites." That's inexcusable, and we're seeing the results.

Have to disagree here. The GOP had 16 versions of the same guy and one Trump.

 

[NOVA]

Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq resolution. Why is that forgiven by her supporters? Has there been a more definitive issue in our time on what it means to be progressive in terms of foreign policy?

Every Dem who voted yay on that measure took the easy way out. It really speaks to the character of all of them. I'm tired of hearing "we made the best decision with the intel we believed at the time." And that goes for every pundit & politician on the right who either instigated the conflict or cheered it on from the sidelines.

It was NOT the best decision. There was never a clear & present danger to our homeland - never even a credible threat. The people responsible need to be held accountable.

I don't get it....1998-1999
Senator Ted Kennedy
Senator Robert Byrd-1998
William Cohen Sec. of Defense
Kenneth Pollack NSC
Pres. Bill Clinton
Sandy Berger
Carl Levin-1998
Tom Daschle
John Kerry
Madeline Albright

2000-2002
Sen. Bob Graham (D)
Senator Barack Obama (D)
Senator Hillary Clinton (D)
Nancy Pelosi (D)
Howard Dean
Senator Edward Kennedy
Sen. John Edwards (D)
Sen. Carl Levin (D)
Al Gore
Sen. Robert Byrd (D)
Sen. Harry Reid (D)
Sen. John F. Kerry (D)
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D)
Rep. Henry Waxman (D)
Rep. Richard Gephardt (D)

All of these people said essentially the same thing, "Saddam had WMD and was an imminent threat" before the War Resolution was voted on.....this cover the years 1998 until 2003....then...."People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)
So this very day, Pres. Clinton says it is INCONTESTABLE that on Jan. 26, 2001, Iraq had stocks of WMD

Are you gonna keep telling us that all these people lied ? Are stupid ? Were miss led (even pre-2001)

Do you want charge ALL of these people with some crime ?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

I don't get it....1998-1999
Senator Ted Kennedy
Senator Robert Byrd-1998
William Cohen Sec. of Defense
Kenneth Pollack NSC
Pres. Bill Clinton
Sandy Berger
Carl Levin-1998
Tom Daschle
John Kerry
Madeline Albright

2000-2002
Sen. Bob Graham (D)
Senator Barack Obama (D)
Senator Hillary Clinton (D)
Nancy Pelosi (D)
Howard Dean
Senator Edward Kennedy
Sen. John Edwards (D)
Sen. Carl Levin (D)
Al Gore
Sen. Robert Byrd (D)
Sen. Harry Reid (D)
Sen. John F. Kerry (D)
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D)
Rep. Henry Waxman (D)
Rep. Richard Gephardt (D)

All of these people said essentially the same thing, "Saddam had WMD and was an imminent threat" before the War Resolution was voted on.....this cover the years 1998 until 2003....then...."People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)
So this very day, Pres. Clinton says it is INCONTESTABLE that on Jan. 26, 2001, Iraq had stocks of WMD

Are you gonna keep telling us that all these people lied ? Are stupid ? Were miss led (even pre-2001)

Do you want charge ALL of these people with some crime ?

You're such a broken record.

Who cares what they all said? Re-read my post that you responded to. The Iraq vote was a mistake - because there was never a clear & present danger. Just a lot of speculation and faulty intel.

Give it up. I get that it's hard to reconcile supporting invasion at this point, but you did. You were wrong.

 

[Getin the ring]

Frankly, I blame the GOP more than I blame Dems.

At least when it comes to voters. Dems screwed over their voters by trying to coronate Hillary & keeping the field limited, and then working against Sanders when it looked like he had a chance (bet they didn't see that one coming). But Dem primary voters didn't have much of a choice.

The GOP had some very good candidates. Kasich would have been in outstanding President, imo. But the primary voters chose this election for a pure "eff you" candidate, because they wanted to stick it to the media and to the "elites." That's inexcusable, and we're seeing the results.

wow, a great post, I knew you had it in you.
If we could not resort to name calling we may actually have a conversation.

you are 100% right, well 99%.
I voted trump "partly" because of the eff You factor, but partly because my personal issues he is really good at, the economy , Immigration , His stance on fighting terror with a big stick.

And Obama was an eff you vote also, by the African American and ultra liberal tree huggers

 

[Getin the ring]

And shame on the Dems for coronating Hillary, as if it was simply her turn

 

[Lightbringer]

And shame on the Dems for coronating Hillary, as if it was simply her turn

Dole '96.

 

[NOVA]

You're such a broken record.

Who cares what they all said? Re-read my post that you responded to. The Iraq vote was a mistake - because there was never a clear & present danger. Just a lot of speculation and faulty intel.

Give it up. I get that it's hard to reconcile supporting invasion at this point, but you did. You were wrong.

Seems to me, you're the broken record.....of course your 20/20 hindsight makes you right all the time,....right?
AND, what they all said is the entire point...its history, its fact
Even Bill Clinton sticks to his conclusions today....15 years after the war....

Saddam and WMD was the topic for at least a decade before the war.....and the thoughts never changed even once.....EVERYONE believed he had WMD....EVERYONE

94 Nations believed Iraq had WMD & 84 Iraqi scientist...were they all lying?

Nations that said Iraq had WMD
Israel, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Spain, Canada, U.S.A. France, England, Russia, Iran, Ireland, Kuwait and on and on went on record and said Iraq had WMD.

In the U.S. House of Rep: 178 Democratic members said they believed that Iraq had WMD

In the U.S. Senate 31 Democratic members including Clinton-D N.Y. believed Iraq had WMD

Also, 84 separate Iraqi scientist said they worked on WMD, touched them, saw them.
http://tinyurl.com/jevlvh2

You're no different that a moron that says "see, it didn't rain like the weatherman said"....hes a liar, hes wrong, he fooled everybody, it never was gonna rain like he said....

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Seems to me, you're the broken record.....of course your 20/20 hindsight makes you right all the time,....right?
AND, what they all said is the entire point...its history, its fact

Saddam and WMD was the topic for at least a decade before the war.....and the thoughts never changed even once.....EVERYONE believed he had WMD....EVERYONE

94 Nations believed Iraq had WMD & 84 Iraqi scientist...were they all wrong?

Nations that said Iraq had WMD
Israel, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Spain, Canada, U.S.A. France, England, Russia, Iran, Ireland, Kuwait and on and on went on record and said Iraq had WMD.

In the U.S. House of Rep: 178 Democratic members said they believed that Iraq had WMD

In the U.S. Senate 31 Democratic members including Clinton-D N.Y. believed Iraq had WMD

Also, 84 separate Iraqi scientist said they worked on WMD, touched them, saw them.
http://tinyurl.com/jevlvh2

You're no different that a moron that says "see, it didn't rain like the weatherman said"....hes a liar, hes wrong, he fooled everybody, it never was gonna rain like he said....

Love the "20/20 hindsight" thing.

My position has never waivered. Didn't see the need to invade then, and still don't. And there were millions like me, who you called traitors and terrorist-sympathizers.

We were right; you were wrong. No "hindsight" about it.

 

[Lightbringer]

Love the "20/20 hindsight" thing.

My position has never waivered. Didn't see the need to invade then, and still don't. And there were millions like me, who you called traitors and terrorist-sympathizers.

We were right; you were wrong. No "hindsight" about it.

You weren't right.

 

[Getin the ring]

Love the "20/20 hindsight" thing.

My position has never waivered. Didn't see the need to invade then, and still don't. And there were millions like me, who you called traitors and terrorist-sympathizers.

We were right; you were wrong. No "hindsight" about it.

no, you weren't and are not right.

It would have been irresponsible not to go in and verify there were no WMD's. it was the only method available to do that. And Bush had the balls to do it.
Where I part with bush is once that search warrant was served, which is what it was, a search warrant issued by the UN. And once it was served and nothing was found he should have packed up and headed home.

But to his credit he felt it his duty to clean the mess he had made. His calculations on cleaning the mess were all over the board.
He gave the Iraqi people too much credit thinking they could rule post Sadaam.

 

[Lightbringer]

no, you weren't and are not right.

It would have been irresponsible not to go in and verify there were no WMD's. it was the only method available to do that. And Bush had the balls to do it.
Where I part with bush is once that search warrant was served, which is what it was, a search warrant issued by the UN. And once it was served and nothing was found he should have packed up and headed home.

But to his credit he felt it his duty to clean the mess he had made. His calculations on cleaning the mess were all over the board.
He gave the Iraqi people too much credit thinking they could rule post Sadaam.

Hindsight is a terrible thing. It makes some people stupid. And yes...I'm talking about you.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

no, you weren't and are not right.

It would have been irresponsible not to go in and verify there were no WMD's. it was the only method available to do that. And Bush had the balls to do it.
Where I part with bush is once that search warrant was served, which is what it was, a search warrant issued by the UN. And once it was served and nothing was found he should have packed up and headed home.

But to his credit he felt it his duty to clean the mess he had made. His calculations on cleaning the mess were all over the board.
He gave the Iraqi people too much credit thinking they could rule post Sadaam.

Iraq showed that war is a last resort ONLY. And only when America's security is directly threatened.

The NIE just before invasion concluded that Saddam wasn't even a threat to his neighbors. Even if he had WMD's, he had no long-range missile capability and certainly no way of delivering them to the U.S.

It was a war of choice, and unnecessary. Inspections were finally working - inspectors finally had access to all suspected sites. Yes, that was because of the troops amassed at the border, but it was the reality nonetheless. We could have let those inspections continue and concluded what we found out - there were no WMD's.

Instead, we got into a quagmire, that went many years beyond the estimates of Cheney and others. Learn from the past or it will be repeated. We never should have invaded Iraq.

 

[Lightbringer]

Iraq showed that war is a last resort ONLY. And only when America's security is directly threatened.

The NIE just before invasion concluded that Saddam wasn't even a threat to his neighbors. Even if he had WMD's, he had no long-range missile capability and certainly no way of delivering them to the U.S.

It was a war of choice, and unnecessary. Inspections were finally working - inspectors finally had access to all suspected sites. Yes, that was because of the troops amassed at the border, but it was the reality nonetheless. We could have let those inspections continue and concluded what we found out - there were no WMD's.

Instead, we got into a quagmire, that went many years beyond the estimates of Cheney and others. Learn from the past or it will be repeated. We never should have invaded Iraq.

Maybe our invasion was payback?

 

[Getin the ring]

I still hold even in hindsight we should have invaded. Sadaam is gone, Iraq poses absolutely no threat to the US or anyone for that matter.

The inspections were a joke, read Boltons book.
the real mistake in Iraq was Obama pulling all of our forces out. hence the forming of ISIS, hence Irans power grab. No telling where we are going now on that road.