Left eating its own on campuses

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Now this is a small University so I'm not claiming this is mainstream but still pretty eye opening. A day of racial segregation gets celebrated? Definitely interesting. (and yes this story involves a progressive being called racist and safe spaces)




When the Left Turns on Its Own


Bret Weinstein is a biology professor at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash., who supported Bernie Sanders, admiringly retweets Glenn Greenwald and was an outspoken supporter of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

You could be forgiven for thinking that Mr. Weinstein, who identifies himself as “deeply progressive,” is just the kind of teacher that students at one of the most left-wing colleges in the country would admire. Instead, he has become a victim of an increasingly widespread campaign by leftist students against anyone who dares challenge ideological orthodoxy on campus.

This professor’s crime? He had the gall to challenge a day of racial segregation.

A bit of background: The “Day of Absence” is an Evergreen tradition that stretches back to the 1970s. As Mr. Weinstein explained on Wednesday in The Wall Street Journal, “in previous years students and faculty of color organized a day on which they met off campus — a symbolic act based on the Douglas Turner Ward play in which all the black residents of a Southern town fail to show up one morning.” This year, the script was flipped: “White students, staff and faculty will be invited to leave campus for the day’s activities,” reported the student newspaper on the change. The decision was made after students of color “voiced concern over feeling as if they are unwelcome on campus, following the 2016 election.”

Mr. Weinstein thought this was wrong. The biology professor said as much in a letter to Rashida Love, the school’s Director of First Peoples Multicultural Advising Services. “There is a huge difference between a group or coalition deciding to voluntarily absent themselves from a shared space in order to highlight their vital and under-appreciated roles,” he wrote, “and a group or coalition encouraging another group to go away.” The first instance, he argued, “is a forceful call to consciousness.” The second “is a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.” In other words, what purported to be a request for white students and professors to leave campus was something more than that. It was an act of moral bullying — to stay on campus as a white person would mean to be tarred as a racist.

Reasonable people can debate whether or not social experiments like a Day of Absence are enlightening. Perhaps there’s a case to be made that a white-free day could be a useful way to highlight the lack of racial diversity, particularly at a proudly progressive school like Evergreen. Yet reasonable debate has made itself absent at Evergreen.


For expressing his view, Mr. Weinstein was confronted outside his classroom last week by a group of some 50 students insisting he was a racist. The video of that exchange — “You’re supporting white supremacy” is one of the more milquetoast quotes — must be seen to be believed. It will make anyone who believes in the liberalizing promise of higher education quickly lose heart. When a calm Mr. Weinstein tries to explain that his only agenda is “the truth,” the students chortle.

Following the protest, college police, ordered by Evergreen’s president to stand down, told Mr. Weinstein they couldn’t guarantee his safety on campus. In the end, Mr. Weinstein held his biology class in a public park. Meantime, photographs and names of his students were circulated online. “Fire Bret” graffiti showed up on campus buildings. What was that about safe spaces?

Watching the way George Bridges, the president of Evergreen, has handled this situation put me in mind of a line from Allan Bloom’s book “The Closing of the American Mind.” Mr. Bloom was writing about administrators’ reaction to student radicals in the 1960s, but he might as well be writing about Evergreen: “A few students discovered that pompous teachers who catechized them about academic freedom could, with a little shove, be made into dancing bears.”

At a town hall meeting, Mr. Bridges described the protestors as “courageous” and expressed his gratitude for “this catalyst to expedite the work to which we are jointly committed.” Of course, there was also pablum about how “free speech must be fostered and encouraged.” But if that’s what Mr. Bridges really believes, why isn’t he doing everything in his power to protect a professor who exercised it and condemn the mob that tried to stifle him?

The Weinstein saga is just the latest installment in a series of similar instances of illiberalism on American campuses. In March, a planned speech by Charles Murray at Middlebury ended with the political scientists escorted off campus by police and his interviewer, Professor Allison Stanger, in a neck brace. In April, a speech at Claremont McKenna by the conservative writer Heather Mac Donald had to be livestreamed when protestors blocked access to the auditorium.

Shutting down conservatives has become de rigueur. But now anti-free-speech activists are increasingly turning their ire on free-thinking progressives. Liberals shouldn’t cede the responsibility to defend free speech on college campuses to conservatives. After all, without free speech, what’s liberalism about?



https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/...-its-own.html?referer=https://t.co/2dHQMnhBce
 
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A. This is FAR from any indication of the 'Left eating it's own' beyond a few disputes at a couple of small colleges. Not sure who told you that everybody on the Left thinks the same about every issue.

B. Clearly, this guy should have discussed his plans with 'his own' before he made them public. Isn't that what smart people do?

C. It appears that this guy isn't interested in the thoughts of like minds because he has an agenda. His 15 minutes of fame.

Dude, you're a conservative where everybody has to even look alike. For you to be talking about 'closed minds' is a joke.

What isn't a joke is the 'free speech' meme that YOUR SIDE is using to defend a fucking murderer who stabbed two innocent men to death who were trying to protect two WOMEN who that racist bitch was verbally assaulting.

Need some help ...

Right-wing free speech rally draws massive counterprotests in Portland

PORTLAND, Ore. — In a city splintered by protest, acrimony and the fresh pain of a pair of killings on a light-rail train, demonstrators gathered again — and clashed again — here Sunday afternoon, with a right-wing rally drawing thousands of counterprotesters in the heart of downtown.

The planned, permitted free-speech and pro-President Trump rally came just more than a week after 35-year-old Jeremy Christian — a man who performed Nazi salutes and screamed racial slurs at a recent right-wing rally here in late April — allegedly stabbed three men, killing two, after what witnesses said was a hate-filled tirade against two teenage girls on a light-rail train. The slain men, Rick Best, 53, and Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche, 23, and the survivor, Micah Fletcher, were standing up to Christian as he harassed the girls, one of whom was wearing a hijab.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...50d0b15f83b_story.html?utm_term=.d2aba2518441

C'mon brother, my friend .. don't get caught up in this bullshit. You're much better than that.
 
BAC, the issue of free speech has been going on for awhile on campuses. President Obama even addressed it. Kids don't want to hear thoughts or ideas they don't agree with which completely belies what most colleges claim to stand for.

And it's not conservatives who run colleges, liberals took over decades ago. Yet students claim many Universities are hostile racist environments. Thus the liberal battle.

And to your point the Trump Presidency has shown there are many divisions on the right.
 
BAC, the issue of free speech has been going on for awhile on campuses. President Obama even addressed it. Kids don't want to hear thoughts or ideas they don't agree with which completely belies what most colleges claim to stand for.

And it's not conservatives who run colleges, liberals took over decades ago. Yet students claim many Universities are hostile racist environments. Thus the liberal battle.

And to your point the Trump Presidency has shown there are many divisions on the right.

Conservatives aren't interested in free speech .. unless as in your case, they're trying to point fingers at liberals.

.. or, as in the case in Portland, your side is using it for justification for murder.

Is there free speech on conservative campuses ??? :0) get real.

You seem to be in full liberal attack mode today . without ever taking a slow walk past this ..

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Shouldn't you be asking yourself if YOUR side has clean hands on an issue before you start challenging the other side?
 
Conservatives aren't interested in free speech .. unless as in your case, they're trying to point fingers at liberals.

.. or, as in the case in Portland, your side is using it for justification for murder.

Is there free speech on conservative campuses ??? :0) get real.

You seem to be in full liberal attack mode today . without ever taking a slow walk past this ..

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Shouldn't you be asking yourself if YOUR side has clean hands on an issue before you start challenging the other side?

Where am I attacking other than this article? I've spoken a lot before about free speech on campus. We complain a lot about our education system and how we aren't educating our children and we have Universities sheltering kids when they should be challenged and growing as a result.

This isn't about elections or the horse race this board focuses so much on.
 
Where am I attacking other than this article? I've spoken a lot before about free speech on campus. We complain a lot about our education system and how we aren't educating our children and we have Universities sheltering kids when they should be challenged and growing as a result.

This isn't about elections or the horse race this board focuses so much on.

If your issue is free speech .. the Left and liberals have done more in defense of free speech than conservatives ever will.

If your issue is segregation, the Left and liberals have done more to oppose it than conservatives ever will.
 
If your issue is free speech .. the Left and liberals have done more in defense of free speech than conservatives ever will.

If your issue is segregation, the Left and liberals have done more to oppose it than conservatives ever will.

Ok. So we shouldn't discuss what is happening on campuses then?
 
Ok. So we shouldn't discuss what is happening on campuses then?

Discuss it in the proper context.

Your side does not champion free speech anywhere, let alone the college campus.

This seems more a case of a college professor looking for his 15 minutes.
 
Discuss it in the proper context.

Your side does not champion free speech anywhere, let alone the college campus.

This seems more a case of a college professor looking for his 15 minutes.

These stories are popping up all over the country at universities. Like I said President Obama even commented on it. What's the proper context to discuss this?
 
Obviously BAC doesn't want to discuss it.

It probably gets in his was of ranting.

Of course he doesn't want to "discuss" it.
He just rants. Universities across our great country are trying to turn our young adults into cupcakes. And it's backfiring.
You mix brain washed college kids in with the liberal media bias and hatred being spewed non stop on the air waves and internet and you get cupcake violence. Which is what I call these latest episodes on unrest near our campuses.
The minute things get a little rough either from the other side of the street or the police these cupcakes fold like card tables and start looking for lawyers.
 
If your issue is free speech .. the Left and liberals have done more in defense of free speech than conservatives ever will.

If your issue is segregation, the Left and liberals have done more to oppose it than conservatives ever will.

THEN WHY THE FUCK IS THE LEFT ATTACKING PEOPLE ON CAMPUSES EVERYWHERE IN THE US WHO TRIES TO SPEAK THEIR POV?!!?
 
modern day liberals hate free speech. BAC doesnt know what he's talking about. He needs to check his culture privilege.
 
Discuss it in the proper context.

Your side does not champion free speech anywhere, let alone the college campus.

This seems more a case of a college professor looking for his 15 minutes.

Your "side" got it's ass handed to them again in Portland.

Just like Berkeley, just like Nov. 8.
 
Now this is a small University so I'm not claiming this is mainstream but still pretty eye opening. A day of racial segregation gets celebrated? Definitely interesting. (and yes this story involves a progressive being called racist and safe spaces)




When the Left Turns on Its Own


Bret Weinstein is a biology professor at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash., who supported Bernie Sanders, admiringly retweets Glenn Greenwald and was an outspoken supporter of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

You could be forgiven for thinking that Mr. Weinstein, who identifies himself as “deeply progressive,” is just the kind of teacher that students at one of the most left-wing colleges in the country would admire. Instead, he has become a victim of an increasingly widespread campaign by leftist students against anyone who dares challenge ideological orthodoxy on campus.

This professor’s crime? He had the gall to challenge a day of racial segregation.

A bit of background: The “Day of Absence” is an Evergreen tradition that stretches back to the 1970s. As Mr. Weinstein explained on Wednesday in The Wall Street Journal, “in previous years students and faculty of color organized a day on which they met off campus — a symbolic act based on the Douglas Turner Ward play in which all the black residents of a Southern town fail to show up one morning.” This year, the script was flipped: “White students, staff and faculty will be invited to leave campus for the day’s activities,” reported the student newspaper on the change. The decision was made after students of color “voiced concern over feeling as if they are unwelcome on campus, following the 2016 election.”

Mr. Weinstein thought this was wrong. The biology professor said as much in a letter to Rashida Love, the school’s Director of First Peoples Multicultural Advising Services. “There is a huge difference between a group or coalition deciding to voluntarily absent themselves from a shared space in order to highlight their vital and under-appreciated roles,” he wrote, “and a group or coalition encouraging another group to go away.” The first instance, he argued, “is a forceful call to consciousness.” The second “is a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.” In other words, what purported to be a request for white students and professors to leave campus was something more than that. It was an act of moral bullying — to stay on campus as a white person would mean to be tarred as a racist.

Reasonable people can debate whether or not social experiments like a Day of Absence are enlightening. Perhaps there’s a case to be made that a white-free day could be a useful way to highlight the lack of racial diversity, particularly at a proudly progressive school like Evergreen. Yet reasonable debate has made itself absent at Evergreen.


For expressing his view, Mr. Weinstein was confronted outside his classroom last week by a group of some 50 students insisting he was a racist. The video of that exchange — “You’re supporting white supremacy” is one of the more milquetoast quotes — must be seen to be believed. It will make anyone who believes in the liberalizing promise of higher education quickly lose heart. When a calm Mr. Weinstein tries to explain that his only agenda is “the truth,” the students chortle.

Following the protest, college police, ordered by Evergreen’s president to stand down, told Mr. Weinstein they couldn’t guarantee his safety on campus. In the end, Mr. Weinstein held his biology class in a public park. Meantime, photographs and names of his students were circulated online. “Fire Bret” graffiti showed up on campus buildings. What was that about safe spaces?

Watching the way George Bridges, the president of Evergreen, has handled this situation put me in mind of a line from Allan Bloom’s book “The Closing of the American Mind.” Mr. Bloom was writing about administrators’ reaction to student radicals in the 1960s, but he might as well be writing about Evergreen: “A few students discovered that pompous teachers who catechized them about academic freedom could, with a little shove, be made into dancing bears.”

At a town hall meeting, Mr. Bridges described the protestors as “courageous” and expressed his gratitude for “this catalyst to expedite the work to which we are jointly committed.” Of course, there was also pablum about how “free speech must be fostered and encouraged.” But if that’s what Mr. Bridges really believes, why isn’t he doing everything in his power to protect a professor who exercised it and condemn the mob that tried to stifle him?

The Weinstein saga is just the latest installment in a series of similar instances of illiberalism on American campuses. In March, a planned speech by Charles Murray at Middlebury ended with the political scientists escorted off campus by police and his interviewer, Professor Allison Stanger, in a neck brace. In April, a speech at Claremont McKenna by the conservative writer Heather Mac Donald had to be livestreamed when protestors blocked access to the auditorium.

Shutting down conservatives has become de rigueur. But now anti-free-speech activists are increasingly turning their ire on free-thinking progressives. Liberals shouldn’t cede the responsibility to defend free speech on college campuses to conservatives. After all, without free speech, what’s liberalism about?



https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/...-its-own.html?referer=https://t.co/2dHQMnhBce

Evergreen? Priceless!
 
These stories are popping up all over the country at universities. Like I said President Obama even commented on it. What's the proper context to discuss this?

Without trying to point fingers at the Left .. which has done light years more for free speech then your side ever will.
 
THEN WHY THE FUCK IS THE LEFT ATTACKING PEOPLE ON CAMPUSES EVERYWHERE IN THE US WHO TRIES TO SPEAK THEIR POV?!!?

BECAUSE WE ARE AT WAR, AND PROGRESSIVES EVERYWHERE ARE FED UP WITH THE UNGODLY HATE COMING FROM THE RIGHT .. WHICH ALSO SHUTS DOWN FREE SPEECH THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

... anything else?
 
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