we're done as a free nation

the last non violent step to keeping a government in check was just turned in by a dumbass michigan jury.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/02/jurors-convict-man-for-telling-jurors-ab

Jurors in Mecosta County, Michigan, have convicted a man for telling potential jurors that they don't have to convict people.

In 2015, Keith Wood stood outside a district courthouse in Big Rapids handing out pamphlets to passers-by. The literature explained the concept of jury nullification—the idea that jurors have the right to refuse to convict people of breaking laws they believe are unjust. Wood and his lawyer contend that distributing these pamphlets is protected free speech.

Prosecutors disagreed. Wood was convicted Thursday of attempting to influence a jury, a misdemeanor charge that could lead to a sentence of up to a year in jail.

The court was selecting only one jury that day, for the trial of an Amish man charged with draining wetlands on his property. And that man decided to plead guilty, so no jury was seated anyway. But prosecutors argued that the very nature of such fliers taints a jury pool. As Mecosta County Assistant Prosecutor Nathan Hull told the jury, "This pamphlet from beginning to end is designed to benefit a criminal defendant."

Let that argument soak in for just a moment. Here's the kind of information that Hull worries will "benefit" the people he's trying to prosecute:

Did judges fully inform jurors of their rights in the past?

Yes, it was normal procedure in the early days of our nation, and in colonial times. And if the judge didn't tell them, the defense attorney often would. America's founders realized that trials by juries of ordinary citizens, fully informed of their powers as jurors, would confine the government to its proper role as the servant, not the master, of the people.

Our third president, Thomas Jefferson, put it like this: "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."

John Adams, our second president had this to say about the juror: "It is not only his right, but his duty...to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court."

Sadly, the jury took less than an hour of deliberation to convict Wood. But perhaps we shouldn't be surprised. The judge apparently prevented Wood's lawyer from offering any sort of First Amendment–based defenses. Because of the judge's behavior, Wood's jury received only limited information—a practice, interestingly enough, that the nullification pamphlet warns about. If only somebody been handing them out when they were seating Wood's jury. Wood's lawyer says they'll appeal the verdict.

most of you fucktards just surrendered. it was a good experiment.
 
only total morons can believe that limited government beliefs equals dictatorship

Not what I said or implied. Only a moron would interpret it that way.

In this case, I think the court was wrong. The case will be appealed. Is the appeal system a problem for you?
 
I'm not a big believer in the first amendment right to just flat out lie. Inability to follow the law or convict as a matter of conscience or principle is grounds to be booted for cause. You don't even have to burn a peremptory.
Such instructions are usually generic handed out by the judge. So the pamphlet is essentially saying you have the right to lie to the court about that secret belief and acquit guilty criminals. I don't believe in that right, although as a practical
matter, a juror could do it. I consider that person a criminal also.
 
I'm not a big believer in the first amendment right to just flat out lie. Inability to follow the law or convict as a matter of conscience or principle is grounds to be booted for cause. You don't even have to burn a peremptory.
Such instructions are usually generic handed out by the judge. So the pamphlet is essentially saying you have the right to lie to the court about that secret belief and acquit guilty criminals. I don't believe in that right, although as a practical
matter, a juror could do it. I consider that person a criminal also.

so the framers of the constitution didn't believe in the right of jury nullification?
 
jury nullification is a two sided sword. You imagine it being used against dickhead governments and over regulation, which is true, it can be used that way. But imagine the inverse. You are an innocent man and the state has no case, but the jury fucking hates you so they decide to find you guilty anyway. No one ever talks about jury nullification in the other direction, (finding one guilty just because they want him to be) but that would be pretty scary.

The reason we have jury nullification is merely a by product of our system. We can't tell a jury what verdict is "right" and we can't punish a jury for getting a verdict "wrong," so in theory they can do what they want without any legal consequence. But in theory that is beyond their scope and role. Juries are meant to be finders of fact, nothing more. The responsible way to fight our fucked up laws is by getting them changed at the legislative level.

THAT SAID

There are absolutely cases I would jury nullify on. Almost an exact year ago today I had jury duty and I was begging in my mind to get a drug case of any kind so I could fuck shit up. I would have loved to been in deliberations where the evidence of someone holding drugs was super obvious and me just going "naaaaaaah it's fake" or something. lol. Alas, it was not meant to be.

Also if you ever want to get out of jury duty, just say you know about jury nullification and that alone will prevent you from service. It would fall under "do you have any beliefs blah blah blah that would conflict with your service"
 
You are an innocent man and the state has no case, but the jury fucking hates you so they decide to find you guilty anyway.

I actually heard about a story simialar to that on This American Life once. Two different people were convicted of the same murder. One guy was clearly innocent and the state had no case against him, but it was the 80's in New York, everybody was obsessed with cracking down on crime, and the jury was like "If we let him out, he's just going to be back in anyway", and so they convicted him of a murder he didn't commit. He spent several decades in prison as an innocent man.
 
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