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Hillary the baggage lady
- Thread starter Stretch
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Obama made those American sacrifices into a political joke by removing US troops from Iraq, only to put US boots back on the ground there.
Bush set the timeline, dipshit. Iraq is ruled from Tehran, and they didn't want troops there.
The Iraq war was a disastrous, needless war based on a mountain of lies and false intel. No one thinks it was a good idea, not even Trump.
GazzaQueen
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Bush set the timeline, dipshit. Iraq is ruled from Tehran, and they didn't want troops there.
The Iraq war was a disastrous, needless war based on a mountain of lies and false intel. No one thinks it was a good idea, not even Trump.
It's much too soon to try to rewrite history. We all remember still.
It's much too soon to try to rewrite history. We all remember still.
You can't rewrite facts. The SOFA was signed by Bush. The only way to keep troops there after 2011 would be an illegal occupation.
GazzaQueen
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You can't rewrite facts. The SOFA was signed by Bush. The only way to keep troops there after 2011 would be an illegal occupation.
OK, W. ended the Iraq War and Obama started it up again by sending US boots on the ground. If you insist.
OK, W. ended the Iraq War and Obama started it up again by sending US boots on the ground. If you insist.
I'm not insisting anything, I'm presenting facts that you cannot dispute.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c5a418-f25c-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html
If the Bush administration deserves a fair share of blame for “losing Iraq,” what about the Obama administration and its decision to withdraw American forces from the country by the end of 2011? I would have preferred to see a small American force in Iraq to try to prevent the country’s collapse. But let’s remember why this force is not there. Maliki refused to provide the guarantees that every other country in the world that hosts U.S. forces offers. Some commentators have blamed the Obama administration for negotiating badly or halfheartedly and perhaps this is true. But here’s what a senior Iraqi politician told me in the days when the U.S. withdrawal was being discussed: “It will not happen. Maliki cannot allow American troops to stay on. Iran has made very clear to Maliki that its No. 1 demand is that there be no American troops remaining in Iraq. And Maliki owes them.” He reminded me that Maliki spent 24 years in exile, most of them in Tehran and Damascus, and his party was funded by Iran for most of its existence. And in fact, Maliki’s government has followed policies that have been pro-Iranian and pro-Syrian.
By the way, Bush indirectly created ISIS -- not only through because of the war itself (which was the catalyst), but because of de-Baathification. Saddam's army became ISIS.
GazzaQueen
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I'm not insisting anything, I'm presenting facts that you cannot dispute.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c5a418-f25c-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html
By the way, Bush indirectly created ISIS -- not only through because of the war itself (which was the catalyst), but because of de-Baathification. Saddam's army became ISIS.
You say Bush ended the Iraq War and Obama started a new one by putting US boots on the ground. We agree on the facts.
You say Bush ended the Iraq War and Obama started a new one by putting US boots on the ground. We agree on the facts.
What about the initial invasion and the 4500 dead troops, million dead Iraqis, and 500,000 orphans produced by it? You seem to trying to bullshit your way into a valid point, while missing the original discussion about the faux moral outrage of Republicans.
GazzaQueen
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What about the initial invasion and the 4500 troops, million dead Iraqis, and 500,000 orphans produced by it? You seem to trying to bullshit your way into a valid point, while missing the original discussion about the faux moral outrage of Republicans.
There are US boots on the ground in Iraq right now.
Either Obama continued W's war for 8 years or he started an Iraq War of his own. Which would you say it is.
There are US boots on the ground in Iraq right now.
Are you saying that Obama invaded and overthrew the Iraqi government?
GazzaQueen
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Are you saying that Obama invaded and overthrew the Iraqi government?
I didn't say Obama was effective. I said there are US boots on the ground in Iraq right now.
Either Obama continued W's war for 8 years or he started an Iraq War of his own. Which would you say it is.
I didn't say Obama was effective. I said there are US boots on the ground in Iraq right now.
So Obama didn't invade Iraq, didn't fight against and overthrow the government, and thus your comparison is so inane it's embarrassing. You can't out debate me because I'm simply better informed. You can simply make stupid arguments that are easily disassembled.
GazzaQueen
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So Obama didn't invade Iraq, didn't fight against and overthrow the government, and thus your comparison is so inane it's embarrassing. You can't out debate me because I'm simply better informed. You can simply make stupid arguments that are easily disassembled.
Then why are there US boots on the ground in Iraq...still...again...you won't say.
Obama's not-wars are much less effective than W's. That's a fact.
Then why are there US boots on the ground in Iraq...still...again...you won't say.
Working with the Iraqis, cleaning up Bush's mess.
GazzaQueen
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Don't edit my posts.Wor.
Don't edit my posts.
I didn't. I responded to exactly what you wrote.
GazzaQueen
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I didn't. I responded to exactly what you wrote.
Stop editing my posts and then lying about it.
It's as obviously evasive as your contention that Obama's Iraq War is effective.
Stop editing my posts and then lying about it.
I don't have the authorization to edit your posts. I do have the authorization to snip your posts and respond to what I want. As I've just demonstrated. Sit down and deal.
GazzaQueen
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I don't have the authorization to edit your posts.
OK.