Trump's DOA budget includes $800 billion in Medicaid cuts

cawacko said:
I am all for making the tax code flatter and reducing corporate subsidies. Hell eliminate the mortgage deduction along with it. But look at something like the Ex-I'm Bank where both candidates Obama and Trump called it corporate welfare then supported it while in office.

The problem is people make the assumption that all govt spending towards the poor is compassionate and thus good even it creates perverse incentives that punish for bettering ones situation
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Words of wisdom there.
 
Sailor said:
Words of wisdom there.
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You, of all people, should know that there are people living in conditions that there are no ways for them to better themselves. It isn't that they don't want to do so, it is just that there are no means to do so.
 
Nomad said:
Who are YOU to determine what someone else needs?
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I am not, nor am I claiming to as you are. You are the one who said "they don't need to tax cut". How do you know? Who are you to decide?

I believe in letting the individual decide what he or she needs in their life. But, i know you liberals think you know better
 
Queen Snowflake said:
You, of all people, should know that there are people living in conditions that there are no ways for them to better themselves. It isn't that they don't want to do so, it is just that there are no means to do so.
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What a crock of shit. So your solution is "hey, let's give them someone elses property"

The solution is to make the tax rate for those who don't work higher than those who do. That will incentivize work. Simple really.
 
Nomad said:
Reduce corporate welfare.

Reduce unnecessary tax cuts for multimillionaires and billionaires.

Those are both defacto govt spending.

Reduce agricultural subsidies to large, corporate owned farms.

Reduce the amount of increases in defense spending.

Stop wasting resources on prosecuting marijuana growers, sellers and users.

Lots of areas you can cut without sticking it to the poor.
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So take money from people who have earned it and give it to people who have not is your answer all?

WTF has happened to you liberals, acting like you care about the poor, the illegals, etc. is becoming expensive, dangerous, and frankly boring.
 
Queen Snowflake said:
You, of all people, should know that there are people living in conditions that there are no ways for them to better themselves. It isn't that they don't want to do so, it is just that there are no means to do so.
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They don't call America the land of opportunity for nothing. People can better themselves there. As for the rest of your ideas, this is why our President's agenda is America (and Americans) First. He wants to take care of Americans before everyone else. It's a reason for you to support him.
 
Nomad said:
Reduce corporate welfare.

Reduce unnecessary tax cuts for multimillionaires and billionaires.

Those are both defacto govt spending.

Reduce agricultural subsidies to large, corporate owned farms.

Reduce the amount of increases in defense spending.

Stop wasting resources on prosecuting marijuana growers, sellers and users.

Lots of areas you can cut without sticking it to the poor.
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How is keeping more of your money considered government spending?

Also, when you say eliminate corporate welfare, do you include subsidies for ethanol, solar, wind and any other boondoggle the federal gobblement comes up with to create winners and losers? Because I agree, I hate the fact that businesses have become rent seekers with the federal government. And I would 100% support ending any and all federal government subsidies to any business. Just wondering if that is how you felt or if you are selective.

How much do you think we should spend a year on defense? Also, are you willing to pull all of our troops out of Germany, S. Korea and Japan? I am all for bringing our soldiers home from every foreign base and closing them down. Think of the savings. Just wondering where you stand on that.
 
Queen Snowflake said:
You, of all people, should know that there are people living in conditions that there are no ways for them to better themselves. It isn't that they don't want to do so, it is just that there are no means to do so.
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I respectfully could not disagree with you more on this one. With very few exceptions, in the United States if one wants to get ahead, they can. This country offers an incredible bounty of resources both in education and opportunity to do that. For anyone. For every non successful person no matter what their background, there a thousands upon thousands more who are.
 
Sailor said:
I respectfully could not disagree with you more on this one. With very few exceptions, in the United States if one wants to get ahead, they can. This country offers an incredible bounty of resources both in education and opportunity to do that. For anyone. For every non successful person no matter what their background, there a thousands upon thousands more who are.
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how dare you

don't you know that there is hidden racism all over the place? that is why these folks can't get ahead

you have to trust Rana, she is a stay at home mom whose husband made a good living working in the oil fields that Rana hates so much. So she has had plenty of time to commiserate with her fellow liberals and really feel the pain of the downtrodden
 
Sailor said:
I respectfully could not disagree with you more on this one. With very few exceptions, in the United States if one wants to get ahead, they can. This country offers an incredible bounty of resources both in education and opportunity to do that. For anyone. For every non successful person no matter what their background, there a thousands upon thousands more who are.
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I respectfully disagree with you, the opportunities are getting smaller and more costly. You need to speak to people, they can't better themselves without govt loans and help from others. They often can not even afford to leave the areas in which they live.
 
Queen Snowflake said:
I respectfully disagree with you, the opportunities are getting smaller and more costly. You need to speak to people, they can't better themselves without govt loans and help from others. They often can not even affirmed to leave the areas in which they live.
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I cannot speak for all the country. I can speak for New England though. If one wants an education, they can get it for nothing if they cannot afford it. If one wants to start a business, there are all sorts of grants or very low interest loans. As far as help from others? 99.9% of businesses or professions in this country had to do just that. There is risk in anything someone does, you know that. But you have to make the effort.
 
cawacko said:
I am all for making the tax code flatter and reducing corporate subsidies. Hell eliminate the mortgage deduction along with it. But look at something like the Ex-I'm Bank where both candidates Obama and Trump called it corporate welfare then supported it while in office.

The problem is people make the assumption that all govt spending towards the poor is compassionate and thus good even it creates perverse incentives that punish for bettering ones situation
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Honest question, what do I say that was offensive here?
 
Queen Snowflake said:
You, of all people, should know that there are people living in conditions that there are no ways for them to better themselves. It isn't that they don't want to do so, it is just that there are no means to do so.
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We are not calling for no spending on the poor or that people should be starving on the streets. As the old saying goes there but for the grace of God goes I. But not sure why you think it's a good thing that our gov't sets up programs that effectively punish people who currently receive benefits for getting jobs and bettering themselves. Some of these people face over 100% marginal tax rates in these scenarios. What is compassionate about that?
 
cawacko said:
We are not calling for no spending on the poor or that people should be starving on the streets. As the old saying goes there but for the grace of God goes I. But not sure why you think it's a good thing that our gov't sets up programs that effectively punish people who currently receive benefits for getting jobs and bettering themselves. Some of these people face over 100% marginal tax rates in these scenarios. What is compassionate about that?
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Which programs are those cawacko, thanks
 
We are enabling the nothingness mentality.

there are millions of people who are better off financially on benefits than they would be if they worked.
To have a system set up like that and not think there is going to be moral abuse is absurd.

there is no one stop solution, but Trumps proposal is a move in the direction of having states start weeding out the fraud, on the local level.
The federal level one size fits all policy is being abused and can not be sustained
 
Getin the ring said:
We are enabling the nothingness mentality.

there are millions of people who are better off financially on benefits than they would be if they worked.
To have a system set up like that and not think there is going to be moral abuse is absurd.

there is no one stop solution, but Trumps proposal is a move in the direction of having states start weeding out the fraud, on the local level.
The federal level one size fits all policy is being abused and can not be sustained
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The notion that the states would somehow do a better job is laughable.

Nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse to cut federal funding for services that help those in need, then hand out more tax cuts to the wealthy.

And middle class, conservative leaning morons who are far more likely​ than not, to find themselves on the short end of that stick, swallow it hook, line and sinker.
 
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