Radical Islamic Terrorism

[evince]

Iran just rejected then religious right in their country


the right here will punish the people in Iran for it I'm sure

 

[Cypress]

You think they sensed weakness in Reagan? Hell no. Reagan completely changed the paradigm of the U.S.-Soviet relationship and ultimately ended the Cold War.

The Soviet Union was evil and Reagan called it as it was. I understand liberals don't like/hate Reagan and many probably had a soft spot that was rooting for communism to suceed but Reagan spoke truth to them

I'll take it you agreed with me that the reformer Gorby was not part of the "evil empire", since you did not dispute my point.

I will let you in on a little secret about the Russians. Your mythology of Ronald Reagan as the courageous conquering hero is a myth that exists in your mind, but is not widely shared by the Slavic peoples of the former soviet union. Russians survived a war of annihilation brought to their doorstep by Nazis, Napoleonic armies, and Mogol hordes. They survived the sieges of Stalingrad and St. Petersburg with grim fortitude and inner strength. These are a people who practice caution but are not at all easily intimidated.

Reagan's false bravado from the safe harbor of a friendly audience did not intimidate the Russian people or make Russians think Reagan was an over powering force of nature.

The Russians did what they always do: they acted in what they thought at the time was their own best self interest. Gorby though he could dismantle the Soviet totalitarian system, wind down the cold war, but somehow hold the Russian Empire together (at least, the Slavic parts of it). He miscalculated badly,

The cold war was won by they collective fortitude of NATO, seven post world war 2 US Presidents, allies in Europe, labor unions in Eastern Europe, the Pope, and by weakness inherent in the Soviet Empire. Reagan played a role. but the size of Reagans role is grossly over exaggerated in your mind.

 

[cawacko]

We're speaking inflammatory language here, not moral equivalence. Language that makes "us" sound like "them."

Detente was crap as was 'we can live along' with the Soviet Union. Reagan knew that was garbage and drew the line in the sand. He called a spade a spade. They were evil

 

[evince]

Gorby tried


Putin and his like won because of people like yeltsen

 

[evince]

Detente was crap as was 'we can live along' with the Soviet Union. Reagan knew that was garbage and drew the line in the sand. He called a spade a spade. They were evil

go study history you idiot


Gorbachev changed the soviet union


stop fucking lying toilet sperm

 

[Amadeus]

1) Saudi Arabia is the epicenter of radical Islam. It's executes and beheads more people than ISIS.

2) Follow the money, Lebowski.

 

[cawacko]

I'll take it you agreed with me that the reformer Gorby was not part of the "evil empire", since you did not dispute my point.

I will let you in on a little secret about the Russians. Your mythology of Ronald Reagan as the courageous conquering hero is a myth that exists in your mind, but is not widely shared by the Slavic peoples of the former soviet union. Russians survived a war of annihilation brought to their doorstep by Nazis, Napoleonic armies, and Mogol hordes. They survived the sieges of Stalingrad and St. Petersburg with grim fortitude and inner strength. These are a people who practice caution but are not at all easily intimidated.

Reagan's false bravado from the safe harbor of a friendly audience did not intimidate the Russian people or make Russians think Reagan was an over powering force of nature.

The Russians did what they always do: they acted in what they thought at the time was their own best self interest. Gorby though he could dismantle the Soviet totalitarian system, wind down the cold war, but somehow hold the Russian Empire together (at least, the Slavic parts of it). He miscalculated badly,

The cold war was won by they collective fortitude of NATO, seven post world war 2 US Presidents, allies in Europe, labor unions in Eastern Europe, the Pope, and by weakness inherent in the Soviet Empire. Reagan played a role. but the size of Reagans role is grossly over exaggerated in your mind.

Reagan wasn't calling Gorby personally evil. He was saying their system was and he was correct.

 

[Amadeus]

Anyone think that maybe arming one side -- the worst side -- of a holy war is not a good idea for regional stability?

 

[anatta]

Anyone think that maybe arming one side -- the worst side -- of a holy war is not a good idea for regional stability?

Iran produces a lot of it's own weapons, but they still get help from China.

SA is reliant on US weapons / It's more about balancing the power then fueling a holy war

 

[evince]

and the human beings in Iran are fighting their evil right wing religious dictators for power.



you hate them for it huh

 

[Cypress]

Reagan wasn't calling Gorby personally evil. He was saying their system was and he was correct.

This sounds a lot like word-smithing and back tracking. I am not sure how Gorby could have been the Head of State and spent his whole career in "an evil system", but not be "evil" himself. Whole lotta word salad and word-smithing going on there.

To speak more directly to your point, it if offensive to Russians to imply their nation is evil. And you can try to word-smith it and finesse it all you want, but that is exactly how it sounds to normal Russian people.

You also have more credibility calling other people evil, if you are capable of publically recognizing the evils in your own system.

That is not to say America has ever had anything like the Stalinism of 1930 to 1953, which was a level of evil rarely matched in modern human history.

But there has been, and continues to be a lot of bad shit that happens in this country. Going back to the internment of Japanese Americans, institutional racism, lynching, and corrupt and racist law enforcement in large areas of the country, and support for rightiwng dictators across the world, just to name a few. Reagan held us out as the "white shining house on the hill", without ever directly and publically confronting our flaws. To Russians, the rhetoric was that they are "evil", and we are "angels". You just do not have a shred of credibility when you pull crap like that.

That said, I understand your mind has absorbed decades of Saint Reagan mythologies, and there is no way for you to be convinced in five minutes that the whole "evil empire" schtick was just garden variety posturing and bluster.

 

[cawacko]

This sounds a lot like word-smithing and back tracking. I am not sure how Gorby could have been the Head of State and spent his whole career in "an evil system", but not be "evil" himself. Whole lotta word salad and word-smithing going on there.

To speak more directly to your point, it if offensive to Russians to imply their nation is evil. And you can try to word-smith it and finesse it all you want, but that is exactly how it sounds to normal Russian people.

You also have more credibility calling other people evil, if you are capable of publically recognizing the evils in your own system.

That is not to say America has ever had anything like the Stalinism of 1930 to 1953, which was a level of evil rarely matched in modern human history.

But there has been, and continues to be a lot of bad shit that happens in this country. Going back to the internment of Japanese Americans, institutional racism, lynching, and corrupt and racist law enforcement in large areas of the country, and support for rightiwng dictators across the world, just to name a few. Reagan held us out as the "white shining house on the hill", without ever directly and publically confronting our flaws. To Russians, the rhetoric was that they are "evil", and we are "angels". You just do not have a shred of credibility when you pull crap like that.

That said, I understand your mind has absorbed decades of Saint Reagan mythologies, and there is no way for you to be convinced in five minutes that the whole "evil empire" schtick was just garden variety posturing and bluster.

Reagan made the comment in '83. Gorby took over in '85 so how would Reagan have made the comment about him personally? Th sobiet system was evil. There is no back tracking.

Yes America has her faults. But communist Russia was evil. Like I said I understand many liberals liked the Soviet Union and didn't see them as an enemy and thus were so taken back by Reagan's comments.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

The Russians found it demeaning and leaders were angered by the use of the phrase.

Personally I believe demeaning an entire country or an entire religion is a real low-rent thing to do.

unless it is christianity, then you are perfectly fine to look the other way

 

[canceled.2021.1]

And if there is one things Russians can easily recognize, it is weakness.

Yes like Obama, Clinton and Kerry

 

[canceled.2021.1]

This sounds a lot like word-smithing and back tracking. I am not sure how Gorby could have been the Head of State and spent his whole career in "an evil system", but not be "evil" himself. Whole lotta word salad and word-smithing going on there.

To speak more directly to your point, it if offensive to Russians to imply their nation is evil. And you can try to word-smith it and finesse it all you want, but that is exactly how it sounds to normal Russian people.

You also have more credibility calling other people evil, if you are capable of publically recognizing the evils in your own system.

That is not to say America has ever had anything like the Stalinism of 1930 to 1953, which was a level of evil rarely matched in modern human history.

But there has been, and continues to be a lot of bad shit that happens in this country. Going back to the internment of Japanese Americans, institutional racism, lynching, and corrupt and racist law enforcement in large areas of the country, and support for rightiwng dictators across the world, just to name a few. Reagan held us out as the "white shining house on the hill", without ever directly and publically confronting our flaws. To Russians, the rhetoric was that they are "evil", and we are "angels". You just do not have a shred of credibility when you pull crap like that.

That said, I understand your mind has absorbed decades of Saint Reagan mythologies, and there is no way for you to be convinced in five minutes that the whole "evil empire" schtick was just garden variety posturing and bluster.

You speak for the Russian people now?

How quaint

 

[cawacko]

This sounds a lot like word-smithing and back tracking. I am not sure how Gorby could have been the Head of State and spent his whole career in "an evil system", but not be "evil" himself. Whole lotta word salad and word-smithing going on there.

To speak more directly to your point, it if offensive to Russians to imply their nation is evil. And you can try to word-smith it and finesse it all you want, but that is exactly how it sounds to normal Russian people.

You also have more credibility calling other people evil, if you are capable of publically recognizing the evils in your own system.

That is not to say America has ever had anything like the Stalinism of 1930 to 1953, which was a level of evil rarely matched in modern human history.

But there has been, and continues to be a lot of bad shit that happens in this country. Going back to the internment of Japanese Americans, institutional racism, lynching, and corrupt and racist law enforcement in large areas of the country, and support for rightiwng dictators across the world, just to name a few. Reagan held us out as the "white shining house on the hill", without ever directly and publically confronting our flaws. To Russians, the rhetoric was that they are "evil", and we are "angels". You just do not have a shred of credibility when you pull crap like that.

That said, I understand your mind has absorbed decades of Saint Reagan mythologies, and there is no way for you to be convinced in five minutes that the whole "evil empire" schtick was just garden variety posturing and bluster.

And there's no question Reagan was posturing. That's what the "bully pulpit" is all about. That's what politicians, leaders, coaches etc. do. He drew a line in the sand at home about who/what the Soviet Union was.

 

[Bill]

Interesting question.

Though you can be sure hardly anyone in government couldn't answer either---unless it was through their own study because Obama's policy that deleted certain references to Islam from government training manuals.

Pretty insane, huh?

That will save Abdonald the trouble........ Good to see Islamic terrorism is dead now. & it's ok, cause rumpf did it......

 

[Taichiliberal]

Iran produces a lot of it's own weapons, but they still get help from China.

SA is reliant on US weapons / It's more about balancing the power then fueling a holy war

There is no "balance of power" when the people you are arming are indirectly funding the very organizations that have vowed to wipe you out of existence.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Reagan wasn't calling Gorby personally evil. He was saying their system was and he was correct.

Big fucking deal! Reagan was second rate actor who's career would not have been save for WWII, who screwed California as Governor and was nothing more than a posturing front piece for the right wing agenda that essentially delayed the fall of the Soviet Union while royally fucking up the American economy.

 

[cawacko]

Big fucking deal! Reagan was second rate actor who's career would not have been save for WWII, who screwed California as Governor and was nothing more than a posturing front piece for the right wing agenda that essentially delayed the fall of the Soviet Union while royally fucking up the American economy.

How did Reagan delay the fall of the Soviet Union?