Radical Islamic Terrorism

cawacko said:
But was Reagan a hypocrite for not telling Gorbachev his country was evil to his face? You're arguing hypocrisy here
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Yes he was.

Which is why the phrase "evil empire" was stupid as shit.

First of all, Gorby was not part of the "evil empire". He was a reformer of the soviet totalitarian system, and even the dim witted Reagan knew this. So I do not accept your premise.

That said, one always looks weak when they only have the bravado to say inflammatory shit in front of the safe harbor of a friendly audience, but won't use that word outside that comfort zone.

And if there is one things Russians can easily recognize, it is weakness.
 
It's silly to compare Trump's dishonesty & hypocrisy to any other politician.

His version of those qualities is really on steroids. Trump is a cartoon.
 
Cypress said:
Yes he was.

Which is why the phrase "evil empire" was stupid as shit.

First of all, Gorby was not part of the "evil empire". He was a reformer of the soviet totalitarian system, and even the dim witted Reagan knew this. So I do not accept your premise.

That said, one always looks weak when they only have the bravado to say inflammatory shit in front of the safe harbor of a friendly audience, but won't use that word outside that comfort zone.

And if there is one things Russians can easily recognize, it is weakness.
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You think they sensed weakness in Reagan? Hell no. Reagan completely changed the paradigm of the U.S.-Soviet relationship and ultimately ended the Cold War.

The Soviet Union was evil and Reagan called it as it was. I understand liberals don't like/hate Reagan and many probably had a soft spot that was rooting for communism to suceed but Reagan spoke truth to them
 
Cypress said:
You're right.
He does seem to have more bravado when typing on Twitter than when he actually meets muslims or Mexicans face to face.

In that respect he is quite akin to his rightwing message board fan boys: those who only have the courage to used words like c*nt and n*gg*r when typed from the safety of an anonymous keyboard, but who undoubtedly never use those words face to face in front of the work colleagues, their bosses, their neighbors.
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Isn't that the truth. I took most of those schmucks off thread ban to see if they could behave. As usual, it didn't take long for pieces of sh*t like IHA and Guille to revert to their true natures.

If they didn't have words like c*nt and n*gger, they'd have nothing. SAD!
 
cawacko said:
You think they sensed weakness in Reagan? Hell no. Reagan completely changed the paradigm of the U.S.-Soviet relationship and ultimately ended the Cold War.

The Soviet Union was evil and Reagan called it as it was. I understand liberals don't like/hate Reagan and many probably had a soft spot that was rooting for communism to suceed but Reagan spoke truth to them
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The Soviet Union wasn't evil. That's like Russians saying the United States is evil. There should be a clear distinction between the leaders and the people. And reagan didn't end the Cold War, that's just a right wing fantasy. It was Gorby coupled with the collapsing system itself that brought it down. reagan was prez at the time but it doesn't mean correlation equals causation.
 
evil empire was for domestic political consumption -
although Regan did carry that same them with "tear down this wall"
 
cawacko said:
What would it have accomplished by calling Gorby evil to his face?
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It would have accomplished nothing. What did it accomplish by saying it from the safety of 5000 miles away?

I find the RW take on this puzzling. We've had on this forum comment after comment criticizing Iran for saying "death to America" but when Americans use inflammatory language against other countries it's okay.
 
christiefan915 said:
The Soviet Union wasn't evil. That's like Russians saying the United States is evil. There should be a clear distinction between the leaders and the people. And reagan didn't end the Cold War, that's just a right wing fantasy. It was Gorby coupled with the collapsing system itself that brought it down. reagan was prez at the time but it doesn't mean correlation equals causation.
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true enough,but it was also US defense spending. Gorby ( and I assume other apparatchiks ) realized they weren't going to be able to keep up with US spending/innovation.
It was like a perfect storm, but also inevitable with the Balkans/Poland revolt etc
 
christiefan915 said:
The Soviet Union wasn't evil. That's like Russians saying the United States is evil. There should be a clear distinction between the leaders and the people. And reagan didn't end the Cold War, that's just a right wing fantasy. It was Gorby coupled with the collapsing system itself that brought it down. reagan was prez at the time but it doesn't mean correlation equals causation.
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Yes, the Soviet Union was evil. Communism was evil. I'm not sure how one defends them.

Reagan alone didn't bring down the Soviet Union but yes he was a big player in it. I understand liberal feelings toward Reagan so I understand not wanting him to receive any credit and thus the attempt to minimize his actions.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev



Gorbachev's policies of glasnost ("openness") and perestroika ("restructuring") and his reorientation of Soviet strategic aims contributed to the end of the Cold War. Under this program, the role of the Communist Party in governing the state was removed from the constitution, which inadvertently led to crisis-level political instability with a surge of regional nationalist and anti-communist activism culminating in the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Gorbachev later expressed regret for his failure to save the USSR, though he has insisted that his policies were not failures but rather were vitally necessary reforms which were sabotaged and exploited by opportunists. He was awarded the Otto Hahn Peace Medal in 1989, the Nobel Peace Prize in 1990 and the Harvey Prize in 1992, as well as honorary doctorates from various universities
 
christiefan915 said:
It would have accomplished nothing. What did it accomplish by saying it from the safety of 5000 miles away?

I find the RW take on this puzzling. We've had on this forum comment after comment criticizing Iran for saying "death to America" but when Americans use inflammatory language against other countries it's okay.
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OK? it is what it is..you simply cannot deal with Iran-they played Obama for what they could get in return for dubious timelines.
You can do business with them,but they are not going to deal in any geo-political sense with the us
 
christiefan915 said:
It would have accomplished nothing. What did it accomplish by saying it from the safety of 5000 miles away?

I find the RW take on this puzzling. We've had on this forum comment after comment criticizing Iran for saying "death to America" but when Americans use inflammatory language against other countries it's okay.
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If the U.S. and Iran are morally equivalent countries in your mind...
 
I thought the mentions of this on the campaign trail & particularly at the convention were incredibly sad. Republicans acted like it was the most liberating thing..."yes! we can finally say it!"

So stupid. I actually don't have much of an issue w/ the phrase, but people acted like it made an iota of difference to "identify" it w/ the religion - like that's the reason we weren't making more headway against terrorism. Typical right-wing myopia.

I didn't see any similar outcry to call the IRA "extreme Catholic terrorism," of the KKK "extreme Christian terrorism" back in the day. Terrorism is terrorism.
 
Thing1 said:
I thought the mentions of this on the campaign trail & particularly at the convention were incredibly sad. Republicans acted like it was the most liberating thing..."yes! we can finally say it!"

So stupid. I actually don't have much of an issue w/ the phrase, but people acted like it made an iota of difference to "identify" it w/ the religion - like that's the reason we weren't making more headway against terrorism. Typical right-wing myopia.

I didn't see any similar outcry to call the IRA "extreme Catholic terrorism," of the KKK "extreme Christian terrorism" back in the day. Terrorism is terrorism.
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EXACTLY!
 
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