2 out of 5 California millenials live at home

The costs of energy, education & healthcare have grown exponentially compared to wages.

We live in a country where the rich continue to get richer, and the poor & middle class simply can't get ahead anymore. And Trump has a tax plan that's a huge giveaway to the wealthy, and a healthcare plan that's a huge giveaway to the wealthy.
 
Thing1 said:
The costs of energy, education & healthcare have grown exponentially compared to wages.

We live in a country where the rich continue to get richer, and the poor & middle class simply can't get ahead anymore. And Trump has a tax plan that's a huge giveaway to the wealthy, and a healthcare plan that's a huge giveaway to the wealthy.
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This isn't about tax plans. You can make good money and not be able to afford a renting a one bedroom for $3,500/month. Look at which states have the highest percentage of people living at home. States like California and New Jersey which have high tax rates.
 
cawacko said:
This isn't about tax plans. You can make good money and not be able to afford a renting a one bedroom for $3,500/month. Look at which states have the highest percentage of people living at home. States like California and New Jersey which have high tax rates.
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It's about wages not keeping up w/ the cost of living. I brought up Trump's tax plan because it's easy to see that, and yet Trump's proposed policies are looking to help the one group that IS getting ahead, and fairly easily.

It's inexplicable to me.
 
Thing1 said:
It's about wages not keeping up w/ the cost of living. I brought up Trump's tax plan because it's easy to see that, and yet Trump's proposed policies are looking to help the one group that IS getting ahead, and fairly easily.

It's inexplicable to me.
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Young people generally don't make a lot of money. They have to build up experience in the workplace etc. so when expensive areas choose not to build enough housing this is a result. The gov't can't force companies to pay 25 year olds six figures
 
I'm not surprised Thingy thinks higher taxes will solve this issue.

That said, I don't think this rate is higher than other countries. And, I don't think historically, is that much for this country. Families used to live together and it was not considered a bad thing.
 
cawacko said:
Young people generally don't make a lot of money. They have to build up experience in the workplace etc. so when expensive areas choose not to build enough housing this is a result. The gov't can't force companies to pay 25 year olds six figures
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It's a national problem, and even the article you posted says that it's not that much less prevalent in areas of the state that are not as expensive, and cites lack of higher education as a factor.

I'm not saying that development restrictions aren't part of it, but it's a much broader issue. I'm not anti-development in general - but there is definitely a need for more responsible development, at least where I live.
 
Thing1 said:
The costs of energy, education & healthcare have grown exponentially compared to wages.

We live in a country where the rich continue to get richer, and the poor & middle class simply can't get ahead anymore. And Trump has a tax plan that's a huge giveaway to the wealthy, and a healthcare plan that's a huge giveaway to the wealthy.
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Plenty of middle class are getting ahead. Maybe the problem is with YOU.

Funny you complain about giveaway plans when the poor have done nothing but received giveaways for years.
 
Yaya said:
I'm not surprised Thingy thinks higher taxes will solve this issue.

That said, I don't think this rate is higher than other countries. And, I don't think historically, is that much for this country. Families used to live together and it was not considered a bad thing.
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He supports higher taxes on those funding the giveaways the poor regularly get. He has a problem with giveaways unless it's some freeloader getting something for nothing.
 
Thing1 said:
It's a national problem, and even the article you posted says that it's not that much less prevalent in areas of the state that are not as expensive, and cites lack of higher education as a factor.

I'm not saying that development restrictions aren't part of it, but it's a much broader issue. I'm not anti-development in general - but there is definitely a need for more responsible development, at least where I live.
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Let me guess. You support "free" tuition where those of us that aren't a kid's parent should have more of a responsibility to educate the kid than his/her own parents? If the kid's own parents don't think their kid is a good investment, you're not going to sell me that they are.
 
Thing1 said:
The costs of energy, education & healthcare have grown exponentially compared to wages.

We live in a country where the rich continue to get richer, and the poor & middle class simply can't get ahead anymore. And Trump has a tax plan that's a huge giveaway to the wealthy, and a healthcare plan that's a huge giveaway to the wealthy.
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Im getting so tired of all the winning.
 
CFM said:
Let me guess. You support "free" tuition where those of us that aren't a kid's parent should have more of a responsibility to educate the kid than his/her own parents? If the kid's own parents don't think their kid is a good investment, you're not going to sell me that they are.
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What's a higher and better use of your tax dollars than education? Bombs and cops and jails?

Also, somewherr in this discussion free trade with sweatshop labor countries merits a discussion.
 
Micawber said:
What's a higher and better use of your tax dollars than education? Bombs and cops and jails?

Also, somewherr in this discussion free trade with sweatshop labor countries merits a discussion.
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The ROI on free tuition - at least for public colleges - is really hard to overstate.

We'd be a different country in 20 years if that was offered now. It's not a big leap of imagination to understand what a more educated populace could do.
 
Thing1 said:
The ROI on free tuition - at least for public colleges - is really hard to overstate.

We'd be a different country in 20 years if that was offered now. It's not a big leap of imagination to understand what a more educated populace could do.
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Interesting article on the labor shortage in the construction industry and various trades.

I don't know that the tax payers paying to give a middle class kid a free education to earn a sociology degree is the highest ROI when trade schools can offer much better career opportunities


https://www.wsj.com/articles/labor-shortage-squeezes-builders-1494075600?tesla=y&mod=e2twe
 
cawacko said:
Interesting article on the labor shortage in the construction industry and various trades.

I don't know that the tax payers paying to give a middle class kid a free education to earn a sociology degree is the highest ROI when trade schools can offer much better career opportunities


https://www.wsj.com/articles/labor-shortage-squeezes-builders-1494075600?tesla=y&mod=e2twe
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Those are great professions, too - and can be lucrative.

But the basic fact is that college grads make $1 million more than non-college grads - just w/ a basic degree. At minimum, they pay for tuition several times over w/ tax revenue, without even counting money pumped back into the economy & other intangibles.
 
Thing1 said:
Those are great professions, too - and can be lucrative.

But the basic fact is that college grads make $1 million more than non-college grads - just w/ a basic degree. At minimum, they pay for tuition several times over w/ tax revenue, without even counting money pumped back into the economy & other intangibles.
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In theory free education sounds great. In reality it's fraught with many issues. You can find many articles written about why. Here's just one of them.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/what-are-the-drawbacks-of-free-college-2016-3
 
Micawber said:
What's a higher and better use of your tax dollars than education? Bombs and cops and jails?

Also, somewherr in this discussion free trade with sweatshop labor countries merits a discussion.
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What's a higher and better use of someone's money that to educate their own kids instead of expecting someone else to pay more taxes to do it because they don't think it's a good investment for their own? It's not my responsibility to educate someone else's kid who won't do it for their own.
 
Thing1 said:
The ROI on free tuition - at least for public colleges - is really hard to overstate.

We'd be a different country in 20 years if that was offered now. It's not a big leap of imagination to understand what a more educated populace could do.
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It's not free you stupid motherfucker.

We'd be a different country TOMORROW is all these freeloaders that won't do for their own started taking the responsibility they created when they had those children. Same end result with an educated populace only those responsible for educating their kids would be funding it.

It's this simple. If I didn't get the pussy that squirted out the kid, the kid isn't my responsibility to educate, feed, clothe, house, provide healthcare, or anything else you bleeding heart think should be done by someone that didn't produce him/her.
 
cawacko said:
Interesting article on the labor shortage in the construction industry and various trades.

I don't know that the tax payers paying to give a middle class kid a free education to earn a sociology degree is the highest ROI when trade schools can offer much better career opportunities


https://www.wsj.com/articles/labor-shortage-squeezes-builders-1494075600?tesla=y&mod=e2twe
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It isn't the responsibility of the taxpayers to fund higher education for a kid whose own parents won't do it regardless of what he/she studies.
 
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