Health Care Is Not A Right!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath



The Hippocratic Oath is an oath historically taken by physicians. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. Of historic and traditional value, the oath is considered a rite of passage for practitioners of medicine in many countries, although nowadays various modernized versions are often used; the message delivered is still the same: do no harm permanently.
Hippocrates is often called the father of medicine in Western culture.[1] The original oath was written in Ionic Greek, in the late Fifth Century BC.[2] It is usually included in the Hippocratic Corpus.
Scholars widely believe that Hippocrates or one of his students wrote the oath between the 5th and 3rd century BC.[3] Alternatively, classical scholar Ludwig Edelstein proposed that the oath was written by the Pythagoreans, an idea that others questioned for lack of evidence for a school of Pythagorean medicine.[4]
 
Modern versions[edit]
Several updates to the oath have been offered in modern times,[6][7] some facetious.[8]
The following version, written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, has been used in many medical schools:
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:...
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can but I will always look for a path to a cure for all diseases.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
 
iolo said:
Health care is a basic human right, and it is astounding to see any advanced country deny it to citizens. For God's sake give up this private insurance nonsense and get yourself a proper NHS.
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That is incorrect

Healthcare is a right in the sense that I cannot act in a way to make you unhealthy

However in the context in which the left talks about it being a positive right where you place an obligation on another so that you can acquire medical care is a perversion of the definition of rights.

Would you rob your neighbor to use the money to pay for someone elses medical care? Of course not. But you have no hesitation to demand the use of government force to do the same.

You confuse compassion with justice. Your need for healthcare should not restrict the freedoms of others.

Hiding behind the sick and infirm does not negate this salient fact.

If an individual does not wish to support your medical care they should be free to do so.

One thing Obama got right was when he said the Constitution was a charter of NEGATIVE rights. Not positive ones. That in and of itself negates this notion of healthcare being a right guaranteed under our US Constitution.
 
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evince said:
Modern versions[edit]
Several updates to the oath have been offered in modern times,[6][7] some facetious.[8]
The following version, written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, has been used in many medical schools:
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:...
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can but I will always look for a path to a cure for all diseases.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
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Rune said:
a new investor. Fool.
If insurance were a ponsi scheme it would collapse as all ponzi schemes do.
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bullshit. besides the fact that the penalty provided NEW investors, why would anyone need new investors if the current continue to provide money???? THINK!!!!!!
 
SmarterthanYou said:
bullshit. besides the fact that the penalty provided NEW investors, why would anyone need new investors if the current continue to provide money???? THINK!!!!!!
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Read a dictionary shitferbrains...

A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game) is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned through legitimate sources.

Insurance companies invest in legitimate businesses. Some insurance companies are centuries old.

Fucking grow up.
 
Rune said:
Read a dictionary shitferbrains...

A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game) is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned through legitimate sources.

Insurance companies invest in legitimate businesses. Some insurance companies are centuries old.

Fucking grow up.
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oh fuck yes. a 'well regulated militia MUST mean a government organized and ruled force. Stop being such a government cock sucker.
 
Cypress said:
In 1948, the United States and the rest of the UN General Assembly adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which reads in part...



Who gives a shit whether it is in the constitution?

The constitution itself says it does not spell out all possible rights. Amendment nine, as I recall.

The United States, thus recognized that the right to an adequate standard of health and medical care was a fundamental universal right, agreed to the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

That's the facts, Jack.
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Something doesn't become a right because you're too fucking lazy to do for yourself, boy.
 
evince said:
why would they vote for your racist party?


see you racists are the most hated people on the planet not blacks
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The better question is why would they vote for the party that wants to enslave them to the government?

It's either that they are unwilling to do for themselves, unable to do for themselves, or a combination of both.
 
iolo said:
Health care is a basic human right, and it is astounding to see any advanced country deny it to citizens. For God's sake give up this private insurance nonsense and get yourself a proper NHS.
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If you getting healthcare involves someone else being forced to fund it for you, you don't have a right to it. Advanced countries don't constantly force the contributors to take care of the leeches. Advanced countries offer the leeches an opportunity to do for themselves and when they choose not to, let them have what they deserve. NOTHING.
 
Micawber said:
The first sentence supposes that the people could change their minds and make black people human property again through amendment. The Ferrari comparison is inapt because it is untethered to any constitutionally recognized fundamental principle, whereas health care is rationally related to people's health and therefore life and as recognized in the due process clause of the 14th amendment.

Also, a right can exist by creation of any law, it needn't be a constitutional right to have a right. If a for example single payer law pass, it would be you in the position of challenging that legal right as violative of your due process minority right against the majoritarian impulse that enacted it. Then there would be a scrutiny judicial review. You'd want the most strict to be applied, the proponents the least strict.

I guess the argument that healthcare is an implied fundamental right is yet a further argument.
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Your right to life doesn't involve someone else being forced to fund anything to preserve it.
 
domer76 said:
Eat the corn out of my shit, taintstain. You've already demonstrated your massive ignorance of Constitutional issues. You have no standing here, cunt.

One gun for almost every man, woman and child and you wonder why we have the highest rate of gun violence in the western world. You're one dense motherfucker, nob gobbler.

Trust a moron like you? lol You don't know shit from shinola, twit. Why would I trust a clueless, lying douchenozzle like you?
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Oh, another one that doesn't think people have the right to own guns yet doesn't have the guts to try and take it. Why should I expect you to try. You don't have the guts to do what you already said you were going to do. So much of a NL he's turning into one of them.
 
Cypress said:
I think you would be surprised and shocked how many message board wingnuts actually collect disability or Medicare, while at the same time whining and wailing about getting the government out of health care
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I would be more shocked if you actually proved something you claimed, BOY.
 
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