Health Care Is Not A Right!

Rune said:
She would never call the fire dept.,
drive on a paved road, go to a public hospital, collect S.S.
and clearly didn't go to school.
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left wing drivel and always the leap you make when our welfare aims are challenged.

"Oh you don't want a fire department"

"Oh you don't want a paved road"

Such nonsense. First of all, fired departments are local responsibilities and not the responsibility of the federal government.

Seriously, can't you come up with your own arguments instead of trotting out the same old tired lines Darla feeds you?
 
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US.
http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

Insurance is a contract, represented by a policy, in which an individual or entity receives financial protection or reimbursement against losses from an insurance company. The company pools clients' risks to make payments more affordable for the insured.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/insurance.asp
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US.
http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

Insurance is a contract, represented by a policy, in which an individual or entity receives financial protection or reimbursement against losses from an insurance company. The company pools clients' risks to make payments more affordable for the insured.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/insurance.asp
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Is there any limit to what a "public need" is? Or is it just what the majority says at any given time?
 
I Love America said:
Is there any limit to what a "public need" is? Or is it just what the majority says at any given time?
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Your idiotic suggestion to arm everyone over 18 is not in the interest of the 'General Welfare'. That's obvious to any sane person.

Providing access to healthcare to all citizens to promote wellness, quality of life, increase longevity, etc. is in the interest of the 'General Welfare'. That's also obvious to any sane person.
 
domer76 said:
Your idiotic suggestion to arm everyone over 18 is not in the interest of the 'General Welfare'. That's obvious to any sane person.

Providing access to healthcare to all citizens to promote wellness, quality of life, increase longevity, etc. is in the interest of the 'General Welfare'. That's also obvious to any sane person.
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Why isn't personal safety in the general welfare? Why isn't protecting ones property in the general welfare? Doesn't that promote wellness, quality of life and increase longevity?

And as BAC argued and you didn't disagree with him, all it takes is for a majority to say it is so and Congress can make it so. The question isn't whether YOU AGREE that it is or isn't.

The question is, if it is deemed by 51% of the people and they convince 51% of Congress to pass and a President signs it, isn't it justifiable under that clause? Are you saying that nine justices determine what is and isn't "general welfare"? Couldn't that be arbitrary?

I realize that these are uncomfortable questions for you and you have to walk a fine line in answering them without unraveling the rest of your lame attempts, but I am a patient man :)
 
There is no such thing as rights so to argue that anything is or is not a right is an empty argument. All things we consider as rights are social constructs and thus open to discussion within society or whatever you call the place you agree to live. Heathcare is a right in America as hospitals must take care of patients if they obey the law in America. So then healthcare is a right in America. Kinda simple really.
 
midcan5 said:
There is no such thing as rights so to argue that anything is or is not a right is an empty argument. All things we consider as rights are social constructs and thus open to discussion within society or whatever you call the place you agree to live. Heathcare is a right in America as hospitals must take care of patients if they obey the law in America. So then healthcare is a right in America. Kinda simple really.
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So if you break the law you don't get healthcare? Interesting construct. So no illegals.
 
There is only one reason leftists want the gobblement in control of healthcare and that is because it is the simplest way to control the populace. All manner of gobblement coercion will be done under the rubric of healthcare costs.
 
I Love America said:
Why isn't personal safety in the general welfare? Why isn't protecting ones property in the general welfare? Doesn't that promote wellness, quality of life and increase longevity?

And as BAC argued and you didn't disagree with him, all it takes is for a majority to say it is so and Congress can make it so. The question isn't whether YOU AGREE that it is or isn't.

The question is, if it is deemed by 51% of the people and they convince 51% of Congress to pass and a President signs it, isn't it justifiable under that clause? Are you saying that nine justices determine what is and isn't "general welfare"? Couldn't that be arbitrary?

I realize that these are uncomfortable questions for you and you have to walk a fine line in answering them without unraveling the rest of your lame attempts, but I am a patient man :)
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You're a fucking idiot. I'm trying to figure out why I even continue with a cretin like you.

Know why we have the highest gun violence rate in the western world? Too fucking many guns. And you want to add more. What a fucktard.

Plus, in Dole, there were certain criteria to be met to satisfy the 'General Welfare' criteria. One is that it can't be coerced. You failed on that criteria, stupid fuck. The Second Amendment is already a right, idiot.

Yeah, stupid fuck. If Congress deems it in the interest of the 'General Welfare' and it passes both houses, gets signed by the President and passes Constitutional muster, it becomes law. Are you that fucking stupid that you haven't figured out how our government works.

We're done here, moron. I've dumbed down things as much as I can and have kicked your ass on every absurd scenario you can muster. Study more, fucktard. I doubt it will help, since you have some disability that blocks the learning experience.
 
domer76 said:
You're a fucking idiot. I'm trying to figure out why I even continue with a cretin like you.

Know why we have the highest gun violence rate in the western world? Too fucking many guns. And you want to add more. What a fucktard.

Plus, in Dole, there were certain criteria to be met to satisfy the 'General Welfare' criteria. One is that it can't be coerced. You failed on that criteria, stupid fuck. The Second Amendment is already a right, idiot.

Yeah, stupid fuck. If Congress deems it in the interest of the 'General Welfare' and it passes both houses, gets signed by the President and passes Constitutional muster, it becomes law. Are you that fucking stupid that you haven't figured out how our government works.

We're done here, moron. I've dumbed down things as much as I can and have kicked your ass on every absurd scenario you can muster. Study more, fucktard. I doubt it will help, since you have some disability that blocks the learning experience.
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So with regards to government healthcare if I don't want it then the government is coercing me
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US.
http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

Insurance is a contract, represented by a policy, in which an individual or entity receives financial protection or reimbursement against losses from an insurance company. The company pools clients' risks to make payments more affordable for the insured.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/insurance.asp
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what you morons fail to realize is that we're not in a capitalist society. we've been sitting in a crony capitalist society for decades, but you're too entrenched in partisan politics out of cowardice to realize that shit.
 
domer76 said:
Your idiotic suggestion to arm everyone over 18 is not in the interest of the 'General Welfare'. That's obvious to any sane person.

Providing access to healthcare to all citizens to promote wellness, quality of life, increase longevity, etc. is in the interest of the 'General Welfare'. That's also obvious to any sane person.
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your idiotic suggestion to let every woman have an abortion at the drop of a dime is not in the interest of the 'General Welfare'. That's obvious to any sane and MORAL person.
 
midcan5 said:
There is no such thing as rights so to argue that anything is or is not a right is an empty argument. All things we consider as rights are social constructs and thus open to discussion within society or whatever you call the place you agree to live. Heathcare is a right in America as hospitals must take care of patients if they obey the law in America. So then healthcare is a right in America. Kinda simple really.
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you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? this whole nation was built on the premise that individuals had rights. and you look even more retarded by telling us that there is no such thing as rights, then the very next sentence say that healthcare is a right.....
 
domer76 said:
You're a fucking idiot. I'm trying to figure out why I even continue with a cretin like you.
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then shut the fuck up and go to england where your utopia supposedly exists.

domer76 said:
Know why we have the highest gun violence rate in the western world? Too fucking many guns. And you want to add more. What a fucktard.
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there are over 300 million guns in the hands of 90 million americans. if it was the guns, trust me, you'd fucking be dead.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
your idiotic suggestion to let every woman have an abortion at the drop of a dime is not in the interest of the 'General Welfare'. That's obvious to any sane and MORAL person.
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I've never mentioned a goddam word about abortion on this forum, you fucking cretinous weaseldick.

Go help yourself to a big cup of shut the fuck up, dolt.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
then shut the fuck up and go to england where your utopia supposedly exists.


there are over 300 million guns in the hands of 90 million americans. if it was the guns, trust me, you'd fucking be dead.
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Eat the corn out of my shit, taintstain. You've already demonstrated your massive ignorance of Constitutional issues. You have no standing here, cunt.

One gun for almost every man, woman and child and you wonder why we have the highest rate of gun violence in the western world. You're one dense motherfucker, nob gobbler.

Trust a moron like you? lol You don't know shit from shinola, twit. Why would I trust a clueless, lying douchenozzle like you?
 
domer76 said:
Eat the corn out of my shit, taintstain. You've already demonstrated your massive ignorance of Constitutional issues. You have no standing here, cunt.

One gun for almost every man, woman and child and you wonder why we have the highest rate of gun violence in the western world. You're one dense motherfucker, nob gobbler.

Trust a moron like you? lol You don't know shit from shinola, twit. Why would I trust a clueless, lying douchenozzle like you?
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You mad bro?

Nobody is forcing you to buy a gun.

However I support a law where the gubmint subsidizes the purchase of a gun for all who want it
 
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