Erin Moran, of Happy Days, dies from opiate overdose

{O said:
i actually don't have a specific question but glad you are ok

did you like the wire?
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it was very realistic,and very good drama.You don't see enough of the suffering involved being a junkie/user
but then again that is a personal story of hell everyone carries who deals with that stuff

 
Yaya said:
You sound like you're speaking from experience.

How did you rise up again?
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He's one of these that within minutes of showing up on JPP was involved in discussions like he'd been here for years. Makes you wonder.
 
Guille said:
1) Opiates are a regional problem.

2) Erin Moran was not a star even when she was on Happy Days and her death really shouldn't be in the news.
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USFREEDOM911 said:
Seems like it's a huge problem in the UK, also.
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Doctors don't hand them out like they were candies over here.
USFREEDOM911 said:
But it's still a problem; because they don't all come from a prescription and you know it.
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Look I don't want to get into a pissing contest, suffice to say it's a big problem and I feel very sorry for Erin Moran.

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Milagro said:
Doctors don't hand them out like they were candies over here.

Look I don't want to get into a pissing contest, suffice to say it's a big problem and I feel very sorry for Erin Moran.

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I feel sorry for her and her family also; but you conveniently try to throw the US in a bad light and then act like similar conditions don't exist in the UK.
How about the problems being addressed as something bigger, then just being "regional"?
 
Milagro said:
Very sad, I used to love Happy Days even though it was cheesy at times. Opiates are a massive problem in the US but are hardly talked about, as evidenced by there being no threads about them on here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituari...ld-actress-played-joanie-happy-days-obituary/

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I had not heard or read that she died from opiates. That part of Southern Indiana and southern Ohio are rife with heroin addiction. Knowing the history of how this all started there should be a shit load of physicians who created the pill mill opiate industry that lead to this heroin crisis who's asses should either be in prison or should permanently have their license to practice revoked.
 
Thing1 said:
These are 2 separate concepts. Most value individual liberty at least on some basic level. But we can still feel sad when people make bad choices, with tragic results.

Of course, addicts and substance abusers are responsible for their own actions. But we can still mourn for them when they lose those battles.
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Thats a complete misconception and mythology about addiction. It can and does happen to anyone. It's not about weak character or making poor decisions.
 
anatta said:
It depends sailor..a sprain can be really bad, and if you have to move on it can re-aggrevate the injury.
So you're better off with a pain pill if it helps you move in a normal fashion,instead of a severe limp.

What was happening was over prescribing the dosages and the frequency.
A good rule of thumb is not getting full pain relief from an opiate,
but still a significant aid towards managing the pain. It's an aid not a panacea.
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Naaa I pretty much agree with Sailor. I pretty much have to be in excruciating level 8 or 9 pain before I would consider taking opiates and using other common sense methods, like staying off my bum ankle till it's healed.
 
tinfoil said:
Come on, that's weak sauce. The point was a good one. She chose to use opiates. Blame the doctor who prescribed them unless she got them illegally.

People sometimes make bad choices in life despite knowing the dangers. Why is it so taboo to accept this?
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Its not but it misrepresents the disease of chemical dependency. No one chooses to become addicted.
 
Milagro said:
Because he has a track record and he never fails to prove that he's totally without any compassion or sympathy. I do blame the doctors they seem to just shell out opiates over there, the bastards ought to be struck off.

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I wish I could give you more than one thanks. Physicians and the pharmaceutical industry have played a major role in the opiat crisis.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Thats a complete misconception and mythology about addiction. It can and does happen to anyone. It's not about weak character or making poor decisions.
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There are people who seem to be more apt to become an addict and it has very little to do with what they use and/or abuse.

The best description I've heard, is someone talking about their addiction.
They said that the first time they used that the high was unbelievable and they spent the rest of the time after that, trying to recapture that same first high.
 
anatta said:
why blame the doctor? The doctor didn't make her take an overdose.people abuse drugs knowingly.
addiction may cause you to seek out drugs,but how many you take at one time is your choice.

1 pain pill gets you a small buzz going-it's part of the therapeutic property of an opiate.
If you need to make yourself higher then the recommended dosage, you are the one to blame if you OD
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wow...what a really dumb question. Do you honestly need it explained to you?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
wow...what a really dumb question. Do you honestly need it explained to you?
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if you are going to make a statement like that -you might as well explain it.

My interest is pain management -is that a legitimate function of medicine?
apparently not so much anymore.

I give you the example of our state. a few years ago we were "pill mills" - lost of midwesterners came down and went to see a doctor who literally wrote prescriptions for anything.
Then the DEA came along and rescheduled hydrocodone from a Schedule 3 to a Schedule 2 drug

I don't know if you've ever had them but oxycodone is much more powerful then hydrocodone.
oxycodone even in small amounts produces a lot of euphoria,and it lasts about 6 hour instead of 4 hours like hydrocodone

So now because both hydrocodone and oxycodone as the same Schedule -it makes getting a prescription for hyrocodone almost impossible to get.
Many doctors are simply refusing to write it. A friend of mine developed Shingles and was turned down in a doctors office.

What they are doing is make you go to pain management centers..which needs a referral
and is yet another claim on your insurance,or another fee for self payers.

All this is draconian -but the worst part is pain management -think of that word "management"
is now not prescribing for long term care,unless it's cancer. and short term pain relief gets Dr. audited by the DEA.
How is this "management?

So:
you just can't go to a doctor for routine pain management
you gotta go to a specialist
when you go they really do not want to prescribe ( and many won't)
and if you manage to clear all these hurdles, they don't give you enough,and you can't get a refill for long term use


The war on drug abuse has become a war on pain management
 
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