Today is a pivotal day in World Politics! WHY?

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Today is a very important day for the next decade of Politics in France.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/french-presidential-election-2017-does-work-candidates/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...on-2017-results-latest-polls-odds-tracker-win

Today, April 23, is the day of the run-off election for President of France.

For Decades, the Far-Left Globalist Socialist agenda has ruled without much opposition in most of Europe.

But this time around, there is a significant chance for a major change of course in French politics.

WHY?

On the subject of the French Presidential election, and the leanings of the French Government in general, I would like to pose a question to the members of the forum.

This is a Serious Question, not a Rhetorical Question. It is a question to which I do not know the answer, and I think that I and many others would benefit from knowing the answer.

To setup the question:

1] I believe that the political analysis of the import of this election in the above links, namely, that this is a critical election, which will set the course of France away from Globalism and Collectivism is correct.

2] I believe that the election between the two political viewpoints is going to be very close, but in the end, the Right-Wing, or Nationalist/Capitalist viewpoint will win the election.

3] I believe that the French Far-Left, like the American Far-Left, will turn to alliances with Radical Islam and extreme violence against the French people, after they lose the election.


So, here is the question:

After decades of Europe being fully under the utopian-siren-song of Global-Collectivism... WHY are enough French people now turning away from Global-Collectivism, and moving to the Right?

What are the top three reasons that Nationalism/Capitalism now has a chance in France, when it did not just four years ago? What Changed?


We, non-Progressives here in America, really need to accurately understand the answer to that question!

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Kurmugeon said:
Today is a very important day for the next decade of Politics in France.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/french-presidential-election-2017-does-work-candidates/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...on-2017-results-latest-polls-odds-tracker-win

Today, April 23, is the day of the run-off election for President of France.

For Decades, the Far-Left Globalist Socialist agenda has ruled without much opposition in most of Europe.

But this time around, there is a significant chance for a major change of course in French politics.

WHY?

On the subject of the French Presidential election, and the leanings of the French Government in general, I would like to pose a question to the members of the forum.

This is a Serious Question, not a Rhetorical Question. It is a question to which I do not know the answer, and I think that I and many others would benefit from knowing the answer.

To setup the question:

1] I believe that the political analysis of the import of this election in the above links, namely, that this is a critical election, which will set the course of France away from Globalism and Collectivism is correct.

2] I believe that the election between the two political viewpoints is going to be very close, but in the end, the Right-Wing, or Nationalist/Capitalist viewpoint will win the election.

3] I believe that the French Far-Left, like the American Far-Left, will turn to alliances with Radical Islam and extreme violence against the French people, after they lose the election.


So, here is the question:

After decades of Europe being fully under the utopian-siren-song of Global-Collectivism... WHY are enough French people now turning away from Global-Collectivism, and moving to the Right?

What are the top three reasons that Nationalism/Capitalism now has a chance in France, when it did not just four years ago? What Changed?


We, non-Progressives here in America, really need to accurately understand the answer to that question!

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You need only go to the poor banlieues of Paris and other big cities in France to get your answer.

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Here is a video in which Tucker Carlson interviews Marie Harf on the subject:




She notes that this election is VERY different that previous elections.

In this video, Carlson explores the issue of Le Pen being labeled "Far-Right", but her positions on most political social issues would not be consider "Right" in America at all.

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I think that probably the single biggest factor of the Left losing ground world wide, is this Thang they do:

"If you don't vote for the Left, we will Race-Bait, Dirty-Name-Call, and Vote-Guilt you by an vast Army of Paid Social Media Trolls, until you meekly submit to our Leftie Agenda and publically demonstrate Regret and Political Correctness Compliance!"

People are just fed up with the Leftie Abusive Tactics!

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evince said:
you won for a short time in the past too

then we stopped hitler and musolini
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I don't know what kind of socialist upside down nonsense they are teaching you kids today, but Mussolini, the father of fascism, was a hardcore Marxist lefty. And Hitler was brought to power by the people of the National Socialist Workers party. :palm:
 
This is from another forum, same thread, and I believe represents honest feedback from at least a significant portion of the "French Perspective":

VotreAltesse said:

About the differences, for an american point of view France looks like a socialist hell, from a french point of view, USA looks like an individualist hell.

French tend to emphasize most on solidarity, and even the right wing recognize that solidarity is extremly important for the country.

Even if their is fewer and fewer catholics, we are as catholic minded people relatively hostile to money, we don't like people who show off their richness for instance. Money for catholic was and is still considered as corrupting mind. That was the reasons money games were often forbidden, aswell the bank and change activities reserved to jews during the middle age (catholic considered that anyway a jew would go to hell and that jobs related to money would make the people automatically lose their place in the heaven, so they were reserved to jews whose were considered to loose too automatically their place to heaven).

In a general way, french people are more governement people, since a long time, because the french kings tended to have a lot of power.

Their is globally four important forces in France :
central right, central left, far left, far right.

The structure of the political institutions enable four partis, four big way of thinking to coexist. Like in the USA, the country tend to be divided between the left and the right. But we tend more to have 4 big categories in the politics rather than two.

It's ill considered to speak of religion in the political sphere. American president pledge allegiance on the bible, it's barely conceivable that a french politician quote the bible or any religious text in the sassembly.

What's new is not that people reject the left, they tend more to reject the central right and the central left.

Two things really important to consider is that many former right winged president were investiguated for corruption. Jacques Chirac (president 1995-2007) was suspected to have created false jobs to financiate his parti. Everybody knew he did that, his right hand man was sentenced, but he avoided any sentence because of his old age. Nicolas Sarkozy (2007-2012) was suspected of : being a part of corruption system around the 95's with the pakistanis, receiving illegaly money from an old billionnaire, being financed by the former dictator Ghadafi. By the way, he have an army of lawyers and escaped any sentence. Another thing terrible but legal he did is that just after his mandate of president, he did some "conferences" and got paid sometimes 200 000 euros for only one conference. Those conferences were often paid by countries like the Qatar or some banks. The total of the money he got from conferences was around 2 millions. It's rather suspectfull than a former president, just after he finished his mandate receive tons of money from banks, foreign countries and said just common things.
The nowodays candidate of the central right, François Fillon got his wife paid by the governement for around twenty years, if not more, but her wife some years ago declared that she never worked for or with her husband.
Furthermore, when he was a representant of the people, he got a company, where he was the only one employee and got paid totally 2 millions euros for "advices". By the way, it looks like a lot like money laundering

The central left did some things bad too, but right now, the central right have more spectacular cases.

In a general way, people are tired of the conventionnal partis and tend to vote more and more for the extreme.
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Kurmugeon replied: Very interesting. Thank you for the feed back!

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So... Maybe not so much of a Referendum on Globalism and Socialism, as we are being told by American MSM.

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If you want to understand the French perspective on Muslim Immigration (and percentage of population!), it is helpful to understand a bit of history:


France allowed a huge number of Muslims to immigrate into France way back in the 1950s, and 1960s. They have the largest native born Muslim population of any EU country.

The colonial and post-colonial dimensions of Algerian migration to France, an article from History in Focus

Migration


The colonial and post-colonial dimensions of Algerian migration to France

Jim House, University of Leeds

The migration of colonised Arab-Berbers from Algeria to mainland France was the earliest and the most extensive of all colonial migrations to Western Europe before the 1960s. Initiated in the late nineteenth century, accelerated by the presence of Algerians in French factories and the army during World War I, male labour migration became an established component of the colonial economy from the early 1920s. Algeria was France's major settler colony: migration there from mainland France, Italy, Spain and Malta involved a policy of land expropriation of the indigenous population that slowly wore down the traditional economic, social and cultural structures of the Algerian peasantry, and existing patterns of labour migration within Algeria were extended to mainland France. (1)
Prior to Algerian independence from France in 1962, Algerian migrants were not leaving one country to enter another, since they were French nationals. However, Algerians were French subjects but not French citizens: for decades, Algerians embodied a significant exception to the established French republican 'model' that (for men at least) combined nationality and citizenship. Algeria constituted a colonial territory fully integrated into the Republic that, as politicians liked to say, ran from Dunkirk in the north to Tamanrasset in the Sahara, the Mediterranean separating France and Algeria 'like the Seine running through Paris'. Indeed, Algerian migrants arriving in Marseilles had simply left behind one colonial society to enter another, that of metropolitan France, although for many migrants there were significant social, cultural and linguistic differences to negotiate.
After 1919, economic lobbies in Algeria feared losing their colonial workforce to mainland French employers, and supported hostile press campaigns in mainland France that denounced the supposed criminality and sexual aggressiveness of Algerian men, stereotypes that largely remain. However, Algerians continued to arrive in France, reaching the 100,000 mark in 1924 and never again going below that figure except during World War II. (2) The colonial authorities' fears regarding Algerian emigration were based on the assumption that Algerians were naïve, politically immature, and hence prey to Communist or Algerian nationalist 'subversion'. Accordingly, in the 1920s, state agencies were established to politically control and police Algerians, often through the pretence of paternalistic welfare measures to combat the growing threat from Algerian nationalism in particular. (3) Indeed, the first fully structured Algerian nationalist movement, the Étoile nord-africaine (North African star) was founded in Paris in 1926. (4) However, until 1962, Algerian nationalist organizations enjoyed what Mohammed Harbi has called a 'conflictual alliance' at best with the organized French left, given the latter's suspicion of Islam and Arab nationalism and ambiguous stance on empire. (5)
Before 1945, Algerian migration was almost exclusively male. Algerians worked in coal- mining, iron, steel and in car manufacture, and were concentrated in Marseilles, Lyons, St. Étienne, Lille and the industrial east around Strasbourg in addition to Paris and its suburbs. Described by the sociologist Abdelmalek Sayad as the 'first stage' of Algerian migration to France, (6) and organised by tightly controlled networks,...
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If you want to understand the Muslim Dynamics in France, it is worth the read.

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priority to French nationals in social housing

amazing that this is a fascist far right position in france.
 
Mitsuha Miyamizu said:
Tom openly supporting neo-nazis now. Man am I surprised.
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Not in the least, her father was a Fascist but she is little different to most mainstream US politicians. You've never been to France or know any French people, there is a huge amount of anger over there about the way that the working classes have been abandoned by the likes of Hollande, sound familiar?

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Le Pen didn't even get in first place in the first round. Nearly got knocked out by Fillon. Not impressive. Her best odds were that the polls were off, well they weren't. And that doesn't make things good for her come the second round.
 
Milagro said:
Not in the least, her father was a Fascist but she is little different to most mainstream US politicians. You've never been to France or know any French people, there is a huge amount of anger over there about the way that the working classes have been abandoned by the likes of Hollande, sound familiar?

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The appropriate outlet is Melenchon, not fascism.
 
Mitsuha Miyamizu said:
The appropriate outlet is Melenchon, not fascism.
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Hmm there's a surprise!! He didn't get into the second round anyway so it's Macron and Le Pen. Macron is a political novice so who knows what he would do, although the ancien regime in Brussels are reportedly cock a hoop. Le Pen would certainly be the best ally for the UK leaving the EU, Macron is yet another EU arselicker by all accounts. I wonder how many mistresses he will take if he wins?

Sylvain Crépon, a sociologist specialising in the Front National, has an astute take on the Macron-Le Pen face-off for Libération:

Of all the candidates Marine Le Pen could have faced in the second round, Emmanuel Macron is the one who is projected to beat her the most convincingly. For all that, he is the candidate that she would most like to confront.

To understand why, we need to return to the FN’s project of reconfiguring French democracy around the question of identity ... It wants the principle divide to be between those attached to national identity (nationalists, patriots, souverainists) and those who seek to destroy it (globalists, cosmopolitans, pro-Europeans).

If Le Pen can replace a supposedly outmoded left-right divide based on economic and social criteria with this new division, she can present her party as the one true alternative to what she describes as a system of “uncontrolled globalisation" and that is a system of which Emmanuel Macron is the perfect incarnation.
 
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Le Pens entire campaign was built against combating Fillon, that's why she made all those appeals to the French left. Now that it's Macron it looks like she dropped the ball. 90% of the French left is going to go for the boring centrist rather than the fascist who promises she's different. Plus the hard liners are going to be out for Marines head after she made all those concessions and didn't win.
 
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