Deconstructing the Argument for Illegal Immigration

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Deconstructing the Argument for Illegal Immigration

When people defend illegal immigration they do so by saying it is beneficial to the economy. They point out that the illegal immigrants contribute more to the society than they take out. First because they pay sales taxes on the things they buy and second because the products they buy with their salary create demand for products and services which then creates more jobs. They also argue if the jobs were given to the citizens it would raise the prices of goods as they get paid more. If you don't think about it too hard it does sound plausible. As always when the left makes an argument it only looks good on the surface.

Jobs

The first flaw in the argument comes with the jobs the illegals take. These jobs exist independent of the illegals. In fact the reason why the illegals come here is that these jobs exist in the first place. Whether the illegals are here or not these jobs still need to be done. Fruit still need to be picked, tables need to be waited on, and buildings still need to be constructed. All that would happen is you have American citizens employed in these jobs instead most likely earning higher wages. At the end of the day the defining characteristic of the illegal is that he is willing to work less than the citizen. In most cases there is no special skill set that he alone possesses.

Illegals Spend

Now that we have established that the jobs would be there whether illegals are here or not we move on to the next point. The money will get spend on the economy whether a citizen or an illegal earns it. In fact the results are worse when an illegal spends the money. The illegal alien would have family in Guatemala, Malaysia, or whatever his home country is which he would have to send money to. This usually results in around 50% of his salary getting sent abroad. The citizen would most likely spend most of his money in the country. True they would not spend their entire salary in the economy as they may buy products from other countries from time to time but that is true for both illegal and citizen. The citizen would also earn more than the illegal which means he has more money to spend than the illegal. Giving the money to the citizen means that there is more of it to spend and that a greater percentage makes it into the economy.

More money spent in the economy means more jobs created as demand rises. The citizen getting the job boosts the economy by a greater amount.

High Prices

When confronted by this argument the first thing you should do is take a deep breath and smell the hypocrisy. The very people who argue for minimum wage increases and say that it will somehow all work out are saying that raising the wages of some workers will cause economic Armageddon. Let us think about this first. The common argument is that businesses can pass on whatever costs they want to the consumers. Is that assumption true? If Pepsi were to suddenly charge you 100$ per bottle would you still drink Pepsi? Or would drink Coke instead? What if both Pepsi and Coke raised their price would you still buy? Or would you buy Juice instead?

The reality is there are numerous reasons why a company cannot just raise prices. Competition, similar products, marketing strategies for market share, and more. Sometimes companies do have to eat the cost. For example some credit cards don't charge foreign transaction fees. That is not because the bank does not have to pay those fees it is because they choose to eat those fees to be able to offer something that other credit cards don't. This all means that it is not true that prices are going to skyrocket if you pay people more. The increased demand caused by the higher wages may even allow some companies to lower prices and make up the profit in volume sold.

Once you begin to look at things objectively you find there is no rational economic justification for illegal immigrants.
 
you belive the construction jobs only exist because illegals are here? People suddenly dont need housing without them?

like I said, you can't point to any actual data to argue your point (one way or the other)
 
There is NO argument PERIOD, for illegal anything much less immigrants.

If liberals had their way, their real way by listening to their argument, why would it not be ok for anyone from anywhere to become a citizen simply by making it to our shores.
What if the Somalian government rounded up all of their poorest, uneducated, hunger ravished masses and brought them by boat to the shores of Miami, wouldn't by liberal policy we be obligated to take them in by the millions and sew them into our fabric?
Why not? does a liberal have a line? Only able bodied? only those without disease?

A liberal is nothing more than an opportunist when it comes to illegal immigration. The sound bite resonates with potential voters.
Only in the last election some of these voters, recent LEGAL immigrants who came from Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and proximity decided it wasn't fair for someone to "jump" the line so to speak when they themselves spent effort to do it the legal way. To become Americans through the system of immigration policy. Not squirming across the border and claiming to be "here" simply because they were able to plant their feet on our soil.

Trump won because he garnered enough of the recent legal immigrant vote. And that number continues to grow, so advice to liberals, get real.
 
There is NO argument PERIOD, for illegal anything much less immigrants.

If liberals had their way, their real way by listening to their argument, why would it not be ok for anyone from anywhere to become a citizen simply by making it to our shores.
What if the Somalian government rounded up all of their poorest, uneducated, hunger ravished masses and brought them by boat to the shores of Miami, wouldn't by liberal policy we be obligated to take them in by the millions and sew them into our fabric?
Why not? does a liberal have a line? Only able bodied? only those without disease?

A liberal is nothing more than an opportunist when it comes to illegal immigration. The sound bite resonates with potential voters.
Only in the last election some of these voters, recent LEGAL immigrants who came from Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and proximity decided it wasn't fair for someone to "jump" the line so to speak when they themselves spent effort to do it the legal way. To become Americans through the system of immigration policy. Not squirming across the border and claiming to be "here" simply because they were able to plant their feet on our soil.

Trump won because he garnered enough of the recent legal immigrant vote. And that number continues to grow, so advice to liberals, get real.

Immigrants start businesses at higher rates than those born in American do. If the goal is to continue to reduce economic growth in the U.S. then shutting the door to immigrants is a great plan.
 
Immigrants start businesses at higher rates than those born in American do. If the goal is to continue to reduce economic growth in the U.S. then shutting the door to immigrants is a great plan.

Do you not know the difference between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration?

What is funny is that you start posts about how shitty Commiefornia is yet you stand by while they import the people that vote for the policies you oppose.

I wonder sometimes if you really think these positions through
 
Immigrants start businesses at higher rates than those born in American do. If the goal is to continue to reduce economic growth in the U.S. then shutting the door to immigrants is a great plan.

could we divide this between illegal immigrants and immigrants who came in the proper way?
 
Do you not know the difference between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration?

What is funny is that you start posts about how shitty Commiefornia is yet you stand by while they import the people that vote for the policies you oppose.

I wonder sometimes if you really think these positions through

I'm well aware of the difference. Not exactly sure how I stand by other than choosing to live here.
 
I'm well aware of the difference. Not exactly sure how I stand by other than choosing to live here.

some of the legal immigrants are desirable as they bring an influx of capital and unique skills which is hwy they went thru the process. This is not true for illegals.
 
Do you not know the difference between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration?

What is funny is that you start posts about how shitty Commiefornia is yet you stand by while they import the people that vote for the policies you oppose.

I wonder sometimes if you really think these positions through

liberals have deliberately tried to blur the lines with their insidious propaganda calling them "undocumented"
 
Premise rejected. When I defend illegal immigration it's because I know excellent citizens without papers who work their everloving asses off and otherwise obey all rules, have families and have been here for a generation. So I know most others are the same. It's personal.
 
Immigrants start businesses at higher rates than those born in American do. If the goal is to continue to reduce economic growth in the U.S. then shutting the door to immigrants is a great plan.

Shutting the door on illegals is a great plan except to you open border traitors.
 
You're economically illiterate which is why you support no or reduced immigration

Why do you conflate shutting the door to illegal immigration as being anti immigration?

You sound like a liberal

Now, personally I think a strong argument can be made to limit immigration

You open borders types act like we are morally obligated to take em
 
Why do you conflate shutting the door to illegal immigration as being anti immigration?

You sound like a liberal

Now, personally I think a strong argument can be made to limit immigration

You open borders types act like we are morally obligated to take em

We can look at economic evidence that empirically shows (legal) immigration is a benefit to our country. To close off our borders to the best and the brightest is to harm our country economically.

America is a welcoming country. That's a Reagan argument. That's a conservative argument.
 
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