Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
That's what I suggested in another thread. Tillerson and Haley dropped the ball big time. You don't tell a war criminal that regime change is off the table.
On what legal authority did trump bomb then syrian military?
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Darth Omar
Russian asset
Blowing up an airport does not regime change make lol.
Such talk is way premature.
Haley and Tillerson were never on the same page. I personally think chem weapons were used as a matter of expediency.
Singling out Assad as a "war criminal" when all the players are war criminals doesn't mean a lot either
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
No it is not safe to say that. If Putin was in an actual democracy he'd have been voted out of office. The Russian economy is in the toilet and he's had almost absolute control of the country for 16+ years. If anything all he has done is strengthen the oligarchy that has made their economy so vulnerable.
Tillerson was one of the ones saying regime change was off the table. When you say you can't see a role for Assad in running Syria, you are talking regime change. Sure you can propose talks to do it, but what does Assad get out of it? He walks away from Syria and goes to the Hague?
So what do you think could happen? Russia admits they have been aiding and abetting a war criminal and Assad just goes away?
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
But they were on the same page on March 30! Both made similar statements regarding Assad.
Assad is the war criminal killing thousands of civilians. You don't get to claim expediency as an excuse.
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
You are mixing and matching things in odd ways.
Valid questions are being asked.
Why was regime change taken off the table just last week? Assad has "crossed the line" many times and killed many civilians including children in brutal ways. Why is this attack different?
If attacking Syria back in 2013 would produce many very bad things (as Trump warned), how has that changed?
Exactly, Putin might let him blow up an airport to look powerful, but he aint going to allow Rump to take out Assad.
They were used, again, because Obama was no longer president and our new president signaled that he did not care.
polls say otherwise. Putin consistently polls high-you claim he would have been voted out of office is not backed by his popularity. I agree with you about the economy - but his nationalism is his strength-as well as his successes in Crimea and the ME
regime change implies interventionism.
Would a negotiated settlement and Assad leaving power be regime change? i don't think so
i don't think any of this gets settled by any negotiations-more of the same.
cawacko
Well-known member
We should ask questions. But since showing hypocrisy is the general goal of this board is it not hypocritical to complain we are going to war in Syria to get Trump rich and now complain if we take regime change off table?
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
Good lord, "polls say otherwise".
How would you rate President Putin's job performance?
a) Good
b) Very good
c) Excellent
d) Outfuckingstanding
e) all of the above and then more
Yes but one must also look at what is replacing him.
Well then the only way to remove Assad as Tillerson is talking about is with force.
You are another liar with early on set dementia.
There is nothing democratic about the government of Syria. They came to power in a coup and then over 50 years later they held some sham election in the middle of a civil war, you fucking tool.
Element-22-Cat
Where is E-man?
Who is saying we are going to war in Syria to get Trump rich?
If you think of how Russia was humiliated by NATO expansion-
and the promises of Putin to be another Perter the Great type..coupled with his sucessful international gambits..
his popularity does have a base
and what does the opposition offer? "democracy?/reform?" the same thing Yelsin offered.
So by default Putin's numbers are high. I'm no expert on this -but it's commonly noted without objection Putin has support
indeed.
agreed/ "look to the battlefield" as I mentioned
cawacko
Well-known member
300 post thread on it last week
Question? How did Obama use Military Force (air strikes both drone and maned flights) without congressional approval in Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan? How did he sanction the assassination of US CITIZENS by using military force in Yemen without any due process might less congressional approval?
And the biggest question of all is why did He (Barry Obama/Soetoro ) LIE about the the 100% destruction of all Assad's Chemical stockpiles? Again....the perfect Barometer is to watch the lips of a liberal when they are moving....the opposite of what comes out of their mouth is where the truth is found. DOCUMENTED....time and time again.
www.freebeacon.com/national-securit...ebrated-getting-chem-weapons-syria-way-early/
Todays liberal words of the day:
H Y P O C R I S Y
and
J O K E
If Obama had actually accomplished what he CLAIMED he accomplished...there would be no need to revenge the deaths of innocent men, women and children. Proving once again that no liberal gives a shit about anything except SELF POWER and personal WEALTH, and the fastest method to that goal is through the bilking of the American Taxpayer. Look at any of the left wing politicians you will find no dirt under their nails nor any history of ever having worked anywhere but sucking off the taxpayer.
Again...documented lies for political gain. The entire 8 years of an Obama administration equals nothing but bull shit, smoke and mirrors and the propaganda spread by the left wing cohorts in the media in defending these documented lies.
And the biggest question of all is why did He (Barry Obama/Soetoro ) LIE about the the 100% destruction of all Assad's Chemical stockpiles? Again....the perfect Barometer is to watch the lips of a liberal when they are moving....the opposite of what comes out of their mouth is where the truth is found. DOCUMENTED....time and time again.
www.freebeacon.com/national-securit...ebrated-getting-chem-weapons-syria-way-early/
Todays liberal words of the day:
H Y P O C R I S Y
and
J O K E
If Obama had actually accomplished what he CLAIMED he accomplished...there would be no need to revenge the deaths of innocent men, women and children. Proving once again that no liberal gives a shit about anything except SELF POWER and personal WEALTH, and the fastest method to that goal is through the bilking of the American Taxpayer. Look at any of the left wing politicians you will find no dirt under their nails nor any history of ever having worked anywhere but sucking off the taxpayer.
Again...documented lies for political gain. The entire 8 years of an Obama administration equals nothing but bull shit, smoke and mirrors and the propaganda spread by the left wing cohorts in the media in defending these documented lies.
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the point was Russia's legitimacy in Syria. At least they were invited in by Assad and Assad was elected.
None of this is really important - Syria is a Russian client state,and Putin had upgraded Tartus as well as bringing in AForce and land troops, and is partnering with Assad.
What other faction has any claim on legitimacy? Qods forces and Hez? gimme a break
Ok fine..and this means what? nothing either way.