Does the President need Congressional approval?

Element-22-Cat said:
Here is the list of 98 Republicans and 18 Democrats who signed a letter asking Obama to seek congressional approval on Syria strikes:

Rep. Scott Rigell (VA-02)
Rep. Matt Salmon (AZ-05)
Rep. Mo Brooks (AL-05)
Rep. Scott Garrett (NJ-05)
Rep. Tom McClintock (CA-04)
Rep. Tom Marino (PA-10)
Rep. Dan Benishek (MI-01)
Rep. Tom Rooney (FL-17)
Rep. Steve Pearce (NM-02)
Rep. Tim Griffin (AR-02)
Rep. Justin Amash (MI-03)
Rep. Raul Labrador (ID-01)
Rep. Joseph Pitts (PA-16)
Rep. Trent Franks (AZ-08)
Rep. John Campbell (CA-45)
Rep. Paul Gosar (AZ-04)
Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (GA-03)
Rep. Joe Wilson (SC-02)
Rep. Charles Boustany (LA-03)
Rep. Tom Cole (OK-04)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (TX-01)
Rep. Austin Scott (GA-08)
Rep. Bill Posey (FL-08)
Rep. Randy Forbes (VA-04)
Rep. Phil Gingrey (GA-11)
Rep. David Roe (TN-01)
Rep. Mark Sanford (SC-01)
Rep. John J. Duncan, Jr. (TN-02)
Rep. Reid Ribble (WI-08)
Rep. James Lankford (OK-05)
Rep. Bill Cassidy (LA-06)
Rep. Stephen Fincher (TN-08)
Rep. Trey Radel (FL-19)
Rep. Chris Stewart (UT-02)
Rep. Lynn Jenkins (KS-02)
Rep. Jeff Duncan (SC-03)
Rep. David McKinley (WV-01)
Rep. Gus Bilirakis (FL-12)
Rep. Joseph Heck (NV-03)
Rep. Dennis Ross (FL-15)
Rep. Billy Long (MO-07)
Rep. Randy Hultgren (IL-14)
Rep. Steven Palazzo (MS-04)
Rep. Kevin Yoder (KS-03)
Rep. Doug Collins (GA-09)
Rep. Michael Fitzpatrick (PA-08)
Rep. Beto O’Rourke (TX-16)
Rep. Zoe Lofgren (CA-19)
Rep. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Rep. Kurt Schrader (OR-5)
Rep. Rush Holt (NJ-12)
Rep. William Enyart (IL-12)
Rep. Timothy Walz (MN-01)
Rep. Christopher Gibson (NY-19)
Rep. Trey Gowdy (SC-04)
Rep. Frank Wolf (VA-10)
Rep. Michael Capuano (MA-07)
Rep. Michael Simpson (ID-02)
Rep. Michael McCaul (TX-10)
Rep. Thomas E. Petri (WI-06)
Rep. Robert Pittenger (NC-09)
Rep. Walter Jones (NC-03)
Rep. Tom Latham (IA-03)
Rep. Richard Nolan (MN-08)
Rep. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (MI-11)
Rep. Mike Coffman (CO-06)
Rep. Sean Duffy (WI-07)
Rep. Bruce Braley (IA-01)
Rep. Morgan Griffith (VA-09)
Rep. Brad Wenstrup (OH-02)
Rep. Mark Amodei (NV-02)
Rep. Roger Williams (TX-25)
Rep. Doug LaMalfa (CA-01)
Rep. Brett Guthrie (KY-02)
Rep. Sam Farr (CA-20)
Rep. Steve Daines (MT-At Large)
Rep. Robert Hurt (VA-05)
Rep. Steve Southerland, II (FL-2)
Rep. Michele Bachmann (MN-06)
Rep. Ralph Hall (TX-04)
Rep. Randy Neugebauer (TX-19)
Rep. Robert Wittman (VA-01)
Rep. Anna Eshoo (CA-18)
Rep. David Schweikert (AZ-06)
Rep.Todd Rokita (IN-4)
Rep. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Rep. Scott Tipton (CO-03)
Rep. Frank LoBiondo (NJ-02)
Rep. Earl Blumenauer (OR-03)
Rep. Sam Johnson (TX-03)
Rep. Tom Price (GA-06)
Rep. Mark Meadows (NC-11)
Rep. Paul Broun (GA-10)
Rep. Markwayne Mullin (OK-02)
Rep. Steve Stockman (TX-36)
Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (WI-05)
Rep. Chris Collins (NY-27)
Rep. Diane Black (TN-06)
Rep. Daniel Webster (FL-10)
Rep. Peter Welch (VT)
Rep. Lou Barletta (PA-11)
Rep. Tim Murphy (PA-18)
Rep. Gregg Harper (MS-03)
Rep. Jim Jordan (OH-04)
Rep. Ted S. Yoho (FL-03)
Rep. Bill Flores (TX-17)
Rep. Michael Burgess (TX-26)
Rep. Jim Matheson (UT-04)
Rep. Cory Gardner (CO-04)
Rep. Alan Nunnelee (MS-01)
Rep. Jason Smith (MO-08)
Rep. Charles Fleischmann (TN-03)
Rep. Tim Walberg (MI-07)
Rep. Marsha Blackburn (TN-07)
Rep. Collin Peterson (MN-7)

A few I know are no longer in congress, but a lot of them are still there. What are their positions now and why would it change?
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THIS IS AWESOME!
 
Element-22-Cat said:
Hi Cos.

It probably does. But Trump didn't think so in 2013 and neither did a whole shit load of members of congress. So why would it change?
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I don't know..that whole thing is always thrown up as some kina legality that POTUS just breezes thru anyways.
Maybe because Obama "invoked it?"
 
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!
1:02 AM · Aug 31, 2013
 
"The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations." - 50 U.S. Code Section 1542
 
anatta said:
I don't know..that whole thing is always thrown up as some kina legality that POTUS just breezes thru anyways.
Maybe because Obama "invoked it?"
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If that is the case then it just demonstrates total duplicity by anyone (mostly Republicans) who sought Obama getting congressional approval but don't think Trump should have.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
Here is the list of 98 Republicans and 18 Democrats who signed a letter asking Obama to seek congressional approval on Syria strikes:

Rep. Scott Rigell (VA-02)
Rep. Matt Salmon (AZ-05)
Rep. Mo Brooks (AL-05)
Rep. Scott Garrett (NJ-05)
Rep. Tom McClintock (CA-04)
Rep. Tom Marino (PA-10)
Rep. Dan Benishek (MI-01)
Rep. Tom Rooney (FL-17)
Rep. Steve Pearce (NM-02)
Rep. Tim Griffin (AR-02)
Rep. Justin Amash (MI-03)
Rep. Raul Labrador (ID-01)
Rep. Joseph Pitts (PA-16)
Rep. Trent Franks (AZ-08)
Rep. John Campbell (CA-45)
Rep. Paul Gosar (AZ-04)
Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (GA-03)
Rep. Joe Wilson (SC-02)
Rep. Charles Boustany (LA-03)
Rep. Tom Cole (OK-04)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (TX-01)
Rep. Austin Scott (GA-08)
Rep. Bill Posey (FL-08)
Rep. Randy Forbes (VA-04)
Rep. Phil Gingrey (GA-11)
Rep. David Roe (TN-01)
Rep. Mark Sanford (SC-01)
Rep. John J. Duncan, Jr. (TN-02)
Rep. Reid Ribble (WI-08)
Rep. James Lankford (OK-05)
Rep. Bill Cassidy (LA-06)
Rep. Stephen Fincher (TN-08)
Rep. Trey Radel (FL-19)
Rep. Chris Stewart (UT-02)
Rep. Lynn Jenkins (KS-02)
Rep. Jeff Duncan (SC-03)
Rep. David McKinley (WV-01)
Rep. Gus Bilirakis (FL-12)
Rep. Joseph Heck (NV-03)
Rep. Dennis Ross (FL-15)
Rep. Billy Long (MO-07)
Rep. Randy Hultgren (IL-14)
Rep. Steven Palazzo (MS-04)
Rep. Kevin Yoder (KS-03)
Rep. Doug Collins (GA-09)
Rep. Michael Fitzpatrick (PA-08)
Rep. Beto O’Rourke (TX-16)
Rep. Zoe Lofgren (CA-19)
Rep. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Rep. Kurt Schrader (OR-5)
Rep. Rush Holt (NJ-12)
Rep. William Enyart (IL-12)
Rep. Timothy Walz (MN-01)
Rep. Christopher Gibson (NY-19)
Rep. Trey Gowdy (SC-04)
Rep. Frank Wolf (VA-10)
Rep. Michael Capuano (MA-07)
Rep. Michael Simpson (ID-02)
Rep. Michael McCaul (TX-10)
Rep. Thomas E. Petri (WI-06)
Rep. Robert Pittenger (NC-09)
Rep. Walter Jones (NC-03)
Rep. Tom Latham (IA-03)
Rep. Richard Nolan (MN-08)
Rep. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (MI-11)
Rep. Mike Coffman (CO-06)
Rep. Sean Duffy (WI-07)
Rep. Bruce Braley (IA-01)
Rep. Morgan Griffith (VA-09)
Rep. Brad Wenstrup (OH-02)
Rep. Mark Amodei (NV-02)
Rep. Roger Williams (TX-25)
Rep. Doug LaMalfa (CA-01)
Rep. Brett Guthrie (KY-02)
Rep. Sam Farr (CA-20)
Rep. Steve Daines (MT-At Large)
Rep. Robert Hurt (VA-05)
Rep. Steve Southerland, II (FL-2)
Rep. Michele Bachmann (MN-06)
Rep. Ralph Hall (TX-04)
Rep. Randy Neugebauer (TX-19)
Rep. Robert Wittman (VA-01)
Rep. Anna Eshoo (CA-18)
Rep. David Schweikert (AZ-06)
Rep.Todd Rokita (IN-4)
Rep. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Rep. Scott Tipton (CO-03)
Rep. Frank LoBiondo (NJ-02)
Rep. Earl Blumenauer (OR-03)
Rep. Sam Johnson (TX-03)
Rep. Tom Price (GA-06)
Rep. Mark Meadows (NC-11)
Rep. Paul Broun (GA-10)
Rep. Markwayne Mullin (OK-02)
Rep. Steve Stockman (TX-36)
Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (WI-05)
Rep. Chris Collins (NY-27)
Rep. Diane Black (TN-06)
Rep. Daniel Webster (FL-10)
Rep. Peter Welch (VT)
Rep. Lou Barletta (PA-11)
Rep. Tim Murphy (PA-18)
Rep. Gregg Harper (MS-03)
Rep. Jim Jordan (OH-04)
Rep. Ted S. Yoho (FL-03)
Rep. Bill Flores (TX-17)
Rep. Michael Burgess (TX-26)
Rep. Jim Matheson (UT-04)
Rep. Cory Gardner (CO-04)
Rep. Alan Nunnelee (MS-01)
Rep. Jason Smith (MO-08)
Rep. Charles Fleischmann (TN-03)
Rep. Tim Walberg (MI-07)
Rep. Marsha Blackburn (TN-07)
Rep. Collin Peterson (MN-7)

A few I know are no longer in congress, but a lot of them are still there. What are their positions now and why would it change?
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welcome, hope you stay awhile.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
If that is the case then it just demonstrates total duplicity by anyone (mostly Republicans) who sought Obama getting congressional approval but don't think Trump should have.
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I don't think this one is partisan. You got Dems and Repubs who stand on the War Powers Act-
then you got hawks who don't..

Frankly I have no idea why Obama did that..especially given Libya and his "kinetic military action"
 
anatta said:
I don't think this one is partisan. You got Dems and Repubs who stand on the War Powers Act-
then you got hawks who don't..

Frankly I have no idea why Obama did that..especially given Libya and his "kinetic military action"
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Obama had UN sanction on Libya, and acted in concert with NATO allies. In fact, NATO took the lead with Obama playing only a supporting role.

Your War Mongering Drumpf not only acted unilaterally without allies, he did the exact opposite of what his stated position was when Obama was president.
 
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anatta said:
I don't think this one is partisan. You got Dems and Repubs who stand on the War Powers Act-
then you got hawks who don't..

Frankly I have no idea why Obama did that..especially given Libya and his "kinetic military action"
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Of course it is partisan. If it was partisan when they demanded Obama get congressional approval then any inconsistency in the stance now is partisan, Democrat or Republican.

I think it is obvious why Obama did it, he knew the Republicans wouldn't support him because... he's Obama!
 
Element-22-Cat said:
Of course it is partisan. If it was partisan when they demanded Obama get congressional approval then any inconsistency in the stance now is partisan, Democrat or Republican.

I think it is obvious why Obama did it, he knew the Republicans wouldn't support him because... he's Obama!
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lol.. OK "bi-partisanship" inconsistency?
It's a moot point,much like the War Powers Act itself.
 
Obama did not bomb Syria in the similar circumstances because he respected the limited authority of the Presidency and the Constitution.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
No it is not a moot point. Those in power must explain why they changed their positions. Trump's reason doesn't hold water.
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it's inconsistent yes. Trumpcan simply say he changed hismind..

I personally think it's about the rise of Kushner, and the demise of Bannon
 
anatta said:
it's inconsistent yes. Trumpcan simply say he changed hismind..
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He can simply say that, but that is an explanation for the simple minded.

I personally think it's about the rise of Kushner, and the demise of Bannon
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I highly doubt it. Tillerson and Haley aren't taking their cues from either of them. It's far more likely to be along the lines of what Trump tweeted in 2012. Desperation.
 
A Steaming Heap of Hypocrisy: Trump's Twitter Rants on Syria

@realDonaldTrump
We should stop talking, stay out of Syria and other countries that hate us, rebuild our own country and make it strong and great again-USA!
1:29 AM - 13 Sep 2013

@realDonaldTrump
Most people do not know what Presient Obama is going to do to save his legacy. I do! He's got to get back to basics.Forget Syria-FIX THE USA
11:02 PM - 12 Sep 2013

@realDonaldTrump
Obama must now start focusing on OUR COUNTRY, jobs, healthcare and all of our many problems. Forget Syria and make America great again!
9:19 AM - 11 Sep 2013

@realDonaldTrump
Don't attack Syria - an attack that will bring nothing but trouble for the U.S. Focus on making our country strong and great again!
7:59 AM - 9 Sep 2013

@realDonaldTrump
President Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your "powder" for another (and more important) day!
9:21 AM - 7 Sep 2013

@realDonaldTrump
AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!
9:20 AM - 5 Sep 2013

@realDonaldTrump
.@GOP must stay focused on defunding ObamaCare and the impending budget battle. Don’t let Syria rule the agenda.
3:05 PM - 4 Sep 2013

@realDonaldTrump
What I am saying is stay out of Syria.
10:00 PM - 3 Sep 2013

@realDonaldTrump
If the U.S. attacks Syria and hits the wrong targets, killing civilians, there will be worldwide hell to pay. Stay away and fix broken U.S.
9:55 PM - 2 Sep 2013

@realDonaldTrump
The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!
7:02 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Also, it will be interesting to see if Trump will comply with his demand to get congressional approval before taking any military action. Needless to say, Trump has not exactly been a bastion of consistency. But on this matter he will be challenged by his Republican colleagues on Capital Hill. Sen. Rand Paul has already said publicly that he will oppose any military moves on Syria without authorization from Congress.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/...Twitter-Rants-on-Syria-Going-Back-Three-Years
 
anatta said:
it's inconsistent yes. Trumpcan simply say he changed hismind..

I personally think it's about the rise of Kushner, and the demise of Bannon
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I agree, Bannon would never have agreed to this. Look for Bannon to quit or be further demoted this coming week.
 
“The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!”
-- Donald J. Trump
 
Element-22-Cat said:
He can simply say that, but that is an explanation for the simple minded.
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well he did change his mind..

I highly doubt it. Tillerson and Haley aren't taking their cues from either of them. It's far more likely to be along the lines of what Trump tweeted in 2012. Desperation.
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Again Haley has been a consistent hawk.
Tillerson seemed to change his mind ( reflecting Trumps change) at the exact same time Bannon was removed from the NSC.
AND MacMaster is a known hawk about Russia
 
Rump sure thought the President needed Congressional Approval in 2013.

Maybe that's just for black presidents.
 
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