Army of Russian trolls reportedly targeted swing states with anti-Clinton fake news

christiefan915 said:
Putin doesn't just hate Hillary, he fears her. Otherwise he would have ignored her.
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I'd fear a crazed warmonger too. She's a hot headed neocon.
She's for every war she ever saw (Kosovo/Iraq/Syria/Libya)-including escalating Cold War
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Hillary Clinton’s New Cold War
http://www.leftvoice.org/Hillary-Clinton-s-New-Cold-War
In a strange reversal, it was the Republican, Donald Trump, who was conciliatory with Russia. The business magnate-turned-demagogue has previously said of Putin, “I’ve already said he is very much of a leader. The man has very strong control over his country.” In this debate he openly called for cooperation between the United States, Russia, and Iran on Syria. He openly broke with anti-Russia comments from his running mate, Indiana governor Mike Pence.

Clinton called for an air war, in the guise of no-fly zones, in Syria. Her reluctance to put troops on the ground has followed the pattern of US foreign policy after George W. Bush’s disaster in Iraq, but it is clear that she intends to continue to use this reactionary civil war as a virtual proxy war with Russia and Iran. Trump rightly critiqued Clinton’s 2002 vote for the Iraq war, yet also blamed Obama and Clinton for the US leaving its debacle in Iraq. Far from an anti-war gesture, this was a piece of realpolitik: the puppet government of Iraq could not politically afford to sign a Status of Forces Agreement giving US troops impunity for their actions, so the US had to withdraw.

As Trump has made noises of conciliation to Russia, neoconservatives who served as the architects of George W. Bush’s arrogant imperialist foreign policy have lined up behind Clinton. Former Bush adviser Robert Kagan said, “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue, it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.” This strain of assertive empire-building, on the ropes after the disasters of the Bush years, has found a new lease on life in Hillary Clinton’s hawkish stances. Neoconservative ideology calls for open use of American armed force in the name of spreading liberal ideals. It also typically means a strong defense of Israel, and a Clinton presidency is likely to be friendlier to the Israeli governments than Obama’s has been.

Clinton represents a rightward shift from Obama
 
cawacko said:
El Oh El, besides the fact that I hate Russia (funny, how pissed were you in the '80's when Reagan called them the Evil Empire?)....
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I think Gorbachev was a different kind of leader than Putin, as in perestroika and glasnost. How many dissident journalists were killed by Gorby? And wasn't he deposed by people who thought he wasn't enough of a hard liner?
 
anatta said:
I'd fear a crazed warmonger too. She's a hot headed neocon.
She's for every war she ever saw (Kosovo/Iraq/Syria/Libya)-including escalating Cold War
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Hillary Clinton’s New Cold War
http://www.leftvoice.org/Hillary-Clinton-s-New-Cold-War
In a strange reversal, it was the Republican, Donald Trump, who was conciliatory with Russia. The business magnate-turned-demagogue has previously said of Putin, “I’ve already said he is very much of a leader. The man has very strong control over his country.” In this debate he openly called for cooperation between the United States, Russia, and Iran on Syria. He openly broke with anti-Russia comments from his running mate, Indiana governor Mike Pence.

Clinton called for an air war, in the guise of no-fly zones, in Syria. Her reluctance to put troops on the ground has followed the pattern of US foreign policy after George W. Bush’s disaster in Iraq, but it is clear that she intends to continue to use this reactionary civil war as a virtual proxy war with Russia and Iran. Trump rightly critiqued Clinton’s 2002 vote for the Iraq war, yet also blamed Obama and Clinton for the US leaving its debacle in Iraq. Far from an anti-war gesture, this was a piece of realpolitik: the puppet government of Iraq could not politically afford to sign a Status of Forces Agreement giving US troops impunity for their actions, so the US had to withdraw.

As Trump has made noises of conciliation to Russia, neoconservatives who served as the architects of George W. Bush’s arrogant imperialist foreign policy have lined up behind Clinton. Former Bush adviser Robert Kagan said, “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue, it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.” This strain of assertive empire-building, on the ropes after the disasters of the Bush years, has found a new lease on life in Hillary Clinton’s hawkish stances. Neoconservative ideology calls for open use of American armed force in the name of spreading liberal ideals. It also typically means a strong defense of Israel, and a Clinton presidency is likely to be friendlier to the Israeli governments than Obama’s has been.

Clinton represents a rightward shift from Obama
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Her hawkishness is just one thing I didn't like about Hillary. But I don't by any stretch of the imagination think trump isn't just as much a hawk.
 
perestroika and glasnost were internal economic Communist Party realignments.
Gorbachev presided over a collapsing USSR. Putin is reactive to NATO expansion..
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, since the media was in the tank for Hillary, the Russians leveled the playing field lol.
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Internet news on Hillary was true and came from Comey and the FBI....Russian involvement is bullshit....

DNC emails was all true and came from Wikileaks....

Even the ENTIRE left wing msm in the tank for Hillary couldn't make voters change their minds.....get over it.
 
christiefan915 said:
Her hawkishness is just one thing I didn't like about Hillary. But I don't by any stretch of the imagination think trump isn't just as much a hawk.
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well we are never going to know -and that is the sorry outcome of all this Russiaphobia.

There was an article in WSJ the other day that basically said "Rapproachment is dead" -
and the reason for it wasn't a change of mind by Trump,but because trying to wind down tensions -for now at least - would be politically crippling for Trump.

So we get more Cold war 2.0,and we are getting it at an alaming rate. I post occasional weapons systems
upgrades/deployments so you all are aware of the escalating madness driving both NATO and Putin.

Then there is our old amigo : European Reassurance Initiative ($4b a year) -an Obama reaction to his inability
to even try to talk to Putin.

What good did all this do in Crimea? none. Putin walked in.
What good does it do going forward? none.. the weapons systems are so extensive, so repetitive/redundant
that piling on more and more doesn't change anything
 
NOVA said:
Internet news on Hillary was true and came from Comey and the FBI....Russian involvement is bullshit....

DNC emails was all true and came from Wikileaks....

Even the ENTIRE left wing msm in the tank for Hillary couldn't make voters change their minds.....get over it.
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They didn't have to be "in the tank" for Hillary just because they exposed him for the corrupt individual he is.

I understand apologists like you turn a blind eye to his life-long unscrupulousness and double-dealing but if that's your moral code, who am I to criticize?
 
Cypress said:
I did not see any substantive difference between Hillary Clinton and other mainstream Democratic politicians, aka Al Gore, John Kerry, Harry Reid.

It did not take a high IQ to know there was an "outrage machine" manufactured and employed for years to discredit her, to make her appear "evil".

It was actually a cottage industry. A lot of people made a lot of money promoting Hillary derangement syndrome.

Not to mention, Russian intelligence services worked night and day to advance the cause of their preferred candidate: Donald J. Drumpf.

Whatever flaws she had, I did not see any reason to put her in a different ideological and ethical category than John Kerry or Al Gore.


p.s., Hillary Clinton beat the Orange Clown by three million votes. The American people wanted her to be president.
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Give us an example of what the Russians did....

It can't be the DNC emails, they only exposed the Democrat party of being corrupt and didn't involve Hillary personally
It can't be Hillarys personal appearances, only she is responsible for them
It can't be Hillary's emails, they came directly from the FBI
It can't be the debates, she got the questions before them so she could be prepared

What else is there ?
 
christiefan915 said:
NATO expansion with greatest increase under bush43.
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yes. but it's the continual process that matters...
it's an evil thing dressed up as making Europe more secure-
but all it is another arms race..And Russian arms are seriously better then the old USSR junk
 
christiefan915 said:
Maybe because you don't live in a swing state? So gullible....
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Well YOU DO....so I ask again...

Give us an example of what the Russians did....

It can't be the DNC emails, they only exposed the Democrat party of being corrupt and didn't involve Hillary personally
It can't be Hillarys personal appearances, only she is responsible for them
It can't be Hillary's emails, they came directly from the FBI
It can't be the debates, she got the questions before them so she could be prepared

What else is there ?
 
anatta said:
I'd fear a crazed warmonger too. She's a hot headed neocon.
She's for every war she ever saw (Kosovo/Iraq/Syria/Libya)-including escalating Cold War
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Exactly. Trump might be dumb, because he's green- so we don't know yet- but Billary was warfare for breakfast.
 
Cypress said:
I did not see any substantive difference between Hillary Clinton and other mainstream Democratic politicians, aka Al Gore, John Kerry, Harry Reid.

It did not take a high IQ to know there was an "outrage machine" manufactured and employed for years to discredit her, to make her appear "evil".

It was actually a cottage industry. A lot of people made a lot of money promoting Hillary derangement syndrome.

Not to mention, Russian intelligence services worked night and day to advance the cause of their preferred candidate: Donald J. Drumpf.

Whatever flaws she had, I did not see any reason to put her in a different ideological and ethical category than John Kerry or Al Gore.
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How Now, Moscow?

I played chess today and lost. I'm seeking your expert advice on how to blame the Russians for that.
 
christiefan915 said:
I think Gorbachev was a different kind of leader than Putin, as in perestroika and glasnost. How many dissident journalists were killed by Gorby? And wasn't he deposed by people who thought he wasn't enough of a hard liner?
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Obviously, the American education system is in serious decline, if wingnuts are relying on Fox News for history "lessons" about liberals and the Soviet Union.

I have never known a single Democrat or liberal who was 'pro-soviet union". Totalitarian states are an anathema to liberalism and humanists. It is the rightwing who is more prone to engage in real politik by denouncing the Soviet dictatorship, while worshipping the rightwing dictatorships of Latin America.

The liberal Amnesty International wrote report after report documenting human rights abuses and the status of political prisoners in the former Soviet Union. Rightwingers did not bother to be advocates for human rights in the way Amnesty was - the rightwing concern has always been economic, geopolitical, and partisan ideological.

You know who brought down totalitarian communism in Eastern Europe?

That's right. The "liberal" independent labor unions, aka Solidarity.

Who was it that tried to implement democracy and democratic institutions in many of the former soviet republicans in the heady days of the early 90s?

That's right. It was liberal reformers.

Did liberals fancy belligerent and militaristic approach to the Soviet Union? Obviously not, although there were certainly liberal Hawks like Scoop Jackson.

But I will say the myth of the "liberal collaborator" with the Soviet Union has always been a great cottage industry for the right wing. A lot of wingnuts made a lot of money portraying liberals as a communistic-ishy fifth column in the U.S.

My advice? The opinions of anonymous arm chair historians, who have never even been to one of the former Soviet republics, can be discounted. Even though they can provide hours of amusement and scorn!
 
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anatta said:
well we are never going to know -and that is the sorry outcome of all this Russiaphobia.

There was an article in WSJ the other day that basically said "Rapproachment is dead" -
and the reason for it wasn't a change of mind by Trump,but because trying to wind down tensions -for now at least - would be politically crippling for Trump.

So we get more Cold war 2.0,and we are getting it at an alarming rate. I post occasional weapons systems
upgrades/deployments so you all are aware of the escalating madness driving both NATO and Putin.

Then there is our old amigo : European Reassurance Initiative ($4b a year) -an Obama reaction to his inability
to even try to talk to Putin.

What good did all this do in Crimea? none. Putin walked in.
What good does it do going forward? none.. the weapons systems are so extensive, so repetitive/redundant
that piling on more and more doesn't change anything
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Nazislamia Used the Last Cold War to Heat Up

Trump can trade exit from NYETO and lifting of sanctions to get Putin to break off relations with Iran, Hezbollah, and the Palestinians. That will get all the Republicans and all the pro-Israel Democrats on his side. That is the art of this deal.
 
NOVA said:
Give us an example of what the Russians did....

It can't be the DNC emails, they only exposed the Democrat party of being corrupt and didn't involve Hillary personally
It can't be Hillarys personal appearances, only she is responsible for them
It can't be Hillary's emails, they came directly from the FBI
It can't be the debates, she got the questions before them so she could be prepared

What else is there ?
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Oops. There it is. Another addition to the Forum Dumbshit list.

Funny how to Dumbshit list and Pussy list overlap so much.
 
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