Democrats base not interested in working with Trump on anything .. Let him flounder
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It was domer's wife. While she's not the size of a pig, she oinks like one when I stick it to her. Your mother did the same for me.
^^^Typical Field Negro just like his ancestors. Get to pickin' some cotton boy and shine my shoes.
When I pulled it out of your wife, the oinking stopped. I put it back in, she started back.
blackascoal
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Feel free to support whatever you want brother. You obviously have a very different perspective of politics than I do.
I don't believe for a minute that Trump is sincere about working with democrats .. he's looking for an edge to challenge the so-called 'freedom caucus.'
I'm not at all interested in the same politics that has led to disaster for democrats .. nor do I believe the Left is interested in those politics or weak-kneed politicians either..
You don't need to change anything you don't want to because neither will I.
blackascoal
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When have moderates ever neutered the far-right? It most certainly wasn't anytime during the last 8 years .. which is why republicans control everything. Moderates sit on their hands and won't FIGHT for much of anything.
Trump is not a moderate .. where did you get that from?
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Give me a break, you are a classic Trotskyite. Your spiel is textbook agitprop propaganda.
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blackascoal
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Democrats must decide: are they part of the resistance or not?
Donald Trump has wasted no time rolling out several draconian measures affecting women’s reproductive rights and immigrants. There has been a flurry of nonsensical and dangerous statements, including attacks on journalists, denials of realities such as climate change and the promotion of outright lies. Meanwhile, there is now officially no single Democrat left who has consistently opposed every one of Trump’s cabinet nominees.
Senator Elizabeth Warren’s shift from grilling Ben Carson to voting to approve him for the top job at the Housing and Urban Development agency has puzzled many. Her explanation that she has continued concerns about Carson’s inexperience for the position but was swayed by his promises is feeble at best. Ardent Democratic party loyalists and centrist commentators are rationalizing away these votes but fail to see the larger picture.
Everyone knows that 48 Democratic senators cannot stop Trump’s cabinet picks. The question then is what is the purpose of meaningless, symbolic “yes” votes?
In the past days, top Democratic officials have expressed a pragmatic strategy to pick battles and strategically work with Republicans and Trump’s administration on certain areas in order to create a wedge between conservatives who have ideological differences. Yet this tactic is freighted with problems.
First, it assumes a good faith in Republicans that they will work with Democrats to mitigate Trump’s damage if the Democrats behave nicely. Second, in looking for a rift among conservatives, this tactic papers over deep rifts the Democratic party has within itself and its progressive base. Third, this tactic continues to assume a normal democratic chess game in what is quickly becoming an anti-democratic regime.
As of Thursday morning, some Democrats have said the “grace period” is over and are calling for a scorched earth campaign against Trump. The relationship this strategy will have to the pick-your-battle tactic described above remains unclear.
Yet the credibility of this party’s establishment continues to nosedive. As millions of people, including a large segment of the party’s base, mobilized for women’s marches across the United States (and beyond) in fierce opposition to Trump, many top Democrats skipped marching to attend a luxury donor retreat hosted by the political operative David Brock.
This was after the centrist thinktank Third Way announced that it would be pouring millions of dollars into researching districts Trump flipped and into fighting the influence of progressive populism within the party. Most recently, Democrats are holding “lessons on how to talk to real people” in conjunction with David Brock and the Center for American Progress CEO, Neera Tanden.
People are right to be angry at the Democratic establishment. Their anger cannot be dismissed as an impractical crusade to enforce ideological purity tests. The establishment’s centrist posture has not prevented the party from entering a political “wilderness” in which it lost 1,034 seats under Obama and is positioned to lose more.
One would think that having the establishment’s “most electable” candidate lose to an orange-faced, proto-fascist reality TV star would lead to some major introspection, self-criticism and calls for deeper transformation in Democratic party.
Yet it appears that the inflexible purists are not the progressives or leftists criticizing Democrats but the party’s centrists and their ardent loyalists who cling to the politics of neoliberalism even as they are proved both wrong and impractical.
Elites controlling the party have refused to talk about the party’s problems in terms of politics, instead opting to reduce issues to a matter of procedure and knocking on more doors.
For example, it was Obama’s administration that bailed out Wall Street and that helped normalize deportations and detention centers, deporting more than 2.5 million immigrants in 8 years.
In light of this and Democrats’ tepid resistance to Trump, progressives and independents have every right to be angry. Trump must be met with strong resistance and a progressive political alternative like the anti-racist and democratically socialist one that Martin Luther King Jr forged toward the end of his life.
If the Democratic party is to have any future, it will not come from following rich white men like David Brock. It must center on those who are at the bottom of our society. Resistance in the name of a better world has to happen and Democrats have to decide if they want to be part of it or not. If not, they must move out of the way.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-flawed-donald-trump-strategy-wont-protect-us
The resistance and energy are coming from the Left, not the Center. What would be dumb is to take the energy and resistance of the Left and put it in the hands of the same tired centrists that put the party in this position in the first place.
Donald Trump has wasted no time rolling out several draconian measures affecting women’s reproductive rights and immigrants. There has been a flurry of nonsensical and dangerous statements, including attacks on journalists, denials of realities such as climate change and the promotion of outright lies. Meanwhile, there is now officially no single Democrat left who has consistently opposed every one of Trump’s cabinet nominees.
Senator Elizabeth Warren’s shift from grilling Ben Carson to voting to approve him for the top job at the Housing and Urban Development agency has puzzled many. Her explanation that she has continued concerns about Carson’s inexperience for the position but was swayed by his promises is feeble at best. Ardent Democratic party loyalists and centrist commentators are rationalizing away these votes but fail to see the larger picture.
Everyone knows that 48 Democratic senators cannot stop Trump’s cabinet picks. The question then is what is the purpose of meaningless, symbolic “yes” votes?
In the past days, top Democratic officials have expressed a pragmatic strategy to pick battles and strategically work with Republicans and Trump’s administration on certain areas in order to create a wedge between conservatives who have ideological differences. Yet this tactic is freighted with problems.
First, it assumes a good faith in Republicans that they will work with Democrats to mitigate Trump’s damage if the Democrats behave nicely. Second, in looking for a rift among conservatives, this tactic papers over deep rifts the Democratic party has within itself and its progressive base. Third, this tactic continues to assume a normal democratic chess game in what is quickly becoming an anti-democratic regime.
As of Thursday morning, some Democrats have said the “grace period” is over and are calling for a scorched earth campaign against Trump. The relationship this strategy will have to the pick-your-battle tactic described above remains unclear.
Yet the credibility of this party’s establishment continues to nosedive. As millions of people, including a large segment of the party’s base, mobilized for women’s marches across the United States (and beyond) in fierce opposition to Trump, many top Democrats skipped marching to attend a luxury donor retreat hosted by the political operative David Brock.
This was after the centrist thinktank Third Way announced that it would be pouring millions of dollars into researching districts Trump flipped and into fighting the influence of progressive populism within the party. Most recently, Democrats are holding “lessons on how to talk to real people” in conjunction with David Brock and the Center for American Progress CEO, Neera Tanden.
People are right to be angry at the Democratic establishment. Their anger cannot be dismissed as an impractical crusade to enforce ideological purity tests. The establishment’s centrist posture has not prevented the party from entering a political “wilderness” in which it lost 1,034 seats under Obama and is positioned to lose more.
One would think that having the establishment’s “most electable” candidate lose to an orange-faced, proto-fascist reality TV star would lead to some major introspection, self-criticism and calls for deeper transformation in Democratic party.
Yet it appears that the inflexible purists are not the progressives or leftists criticizing Democrats but the party’s centrists and their ardent loyalists who cling to the politics of neoliberalism even as they are proved both wrong and impractical.
Elites controlling the party have refused to talk about the party’s problems in terms of politics, instead opting to reduce issues to a matter of procedure and knocking on more doors.
For example, it was Obama’s administration that bailed out Wall Street and that helped normalize deportations and detention centers, deporting more than 2.5 million immigrants in 8 years.
In light of this and Democrats’ tepid resistance to Trump, progressives and independents have every right to be angry. Trump must be met with strong resistance and a progressive political alternative like the anti-racist and democratically socialist one that Martin Luther King Jr forged toward the end of his life.
If the Democratic party is to have any future, it will not come from following rich white men like David Brock. It must center on those who are at the bottom of our society. Resistance in the name of a better world has to happen and Democrats have to decide if they want to be part of it or not. If not, they must move out of the way.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-flawed-donald-trump-strategy-wont-protect-us
The resistance and energy are coming from the Left, not the Center. What would be dumb is to take the energy and resistance of the Left and put it in the hands of the same tired centrists that put the party in this position in the first place.
What I haven't figured out yet is which one taught him to bag dogshit.
^Stupidly thinks this is a sign of intelligence. You really are too repugnant and stupid for words asshat.
P.S. You can "groan" me to your hearts content dumbfuck.
I don't bother with the stupid fucking blanket groan bullshit. That's for pussy farts like you, punk.
Buckly J. Ewer
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Liberal voters push Democrats to a new nuclear age
Washington (CNN)Spurned on health care by hard-line Republicans, President Donald Trump's White House is now looking for Democratic assistance to confirm Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court, advance a massive new infrastructure investment and fund the government.
The Democratic base doesn't want any part of it.
Washington (CNN)Spurned on health care by hard-line Republicans, President Donald Trump's White House is now looking for Democratic assistance to confirm Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court, advance a massive new infrastructure investment and fund the government.
The Democratic base doesn't want any part of it.
Instead, progressives are continuing to demand total opposition to Trump.
With the confirmation fight over Gorsuch and a deadline to fund the government both looming, Democratic lawmakers are under intense pressure not to give an inch, even if that means forcing what could be a losing battle over the filibuster in the Senate.
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But liberal groups aren't concerned about losing that potential leverage for future confirmation fights.
The Progressive Change Campaign Committee sent a letter to members in Vermont this week criticizing Sen. Patrick Leahy over what the group called "squishy comments" about confirming Gorsuch. He'd said he is "not inclined to filibuster" Gorsuch.
It's not just Gorsuch. The Congressional Hispanic Caucus on Monday sent a letter to House budget-writers urging them to reject Trump's request for border wall funding as a deadline to fund the government and avert a shutdown draws closer -- signaling that any effort to implement a key Trump campaign promise could trigger another major battle.
"Across issues, the Republican agenda represents handouts to giant corporations and the rich while a populist progressive agenda fights for the little guy," said Progressive caucus co-founder Adam Green. Those are two completely opposite directions, and Trump has broken his campaign promises by running full-steam toward corporate welfare over and over again."
I applaud this strategy
Just another hollow empty Trump threat...
At 35% he has no political capital left to spend.
PostmodernProphet
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/shrugs.....you're the one that started throwing the nastiness around.....fuck yourself......
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Politics isn't real . It's a fucking joke . Neither major party is interested in solving problems. I'm seeing it on the local level too where I'm from.
Besides I never had to "fall" for Ayn Rand crap. I already do it. Works for me. Gubmint assistance works for you. To each their own. I'm still a libertarian at heart. Whatever floats your boat (or in your pathetic life, a dinghy
️ ) is OK with me..blackascoal
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.. and he mindlessly continues to berate democrats .. while supposedly 'looking to work with them.'
Trump has major scandals crawling all up his ass.
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That wasn't meant for you, you are obviously right wing!!
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It's easy to tell which one of your parents taught you to be a NL. It was both.
Says the one still sticking his tongue and nose up Obama's ass. Pucker up, BOY.
Althea
Althea told me...
Sadly, you are 100% correct. Since Obama's first inauguration, the opposition has been hell bent on not allowing him any successes, in some warped attempt to win back the White House. They continued after his second inauguration, albeit with the help of the devil they made the deal with....the Tea Party.Politics isn't real . It's a fucking joke . Neither major party is interested in solving problems. I'm seeing it on the local level too where I'm from.
Besides I never had to "fall" for Ayn Rand crap. I already do it. Works for me. Gubmint assistance works for you. To each their own. I'm still a libertarian at heart. Whatever floats your boat (or in your pathetic life, a dinghy
So now we have a similar situation, although Obama attempted to hand the Right their own pet desires on a silver platter when the tried unsuccessfully to compromise.
trump has no desire to compromise with Democrats, and the extreme Right wing of his party is not going to change.
So we'll either see Democrats bring us even more suffering via stagnation, or we'll see them truly represent us, and work to get things done that are sorely needed.
This might very well see Republicans retain the White House for 8 years if they do allow trump to succeed, so the choice is going to be an interesting one.
That you think Obama tried compromise with Republicans make you a joke. His attitude was sit down, shut up, and do what you're told. Since the Democrats consider that the definition of compromise, I can see where you would be mistaken thinking Obama tried that.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
you quoted me, dumbfuck.....