'Religious left' emerging as U.S. political force in Trump era

Rune said:
I am not in favor of abortion if that is what you mean.
If one follows the teaching of Jesus though, one cannot possibly support the GOP.
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My sentence was sarcastic, but, there have always been multiple issues at stake, which, individually get derided as "single issues."
 
Chlorate said:
I'd say ever since the Vatican was established, the papacy has been able to exercise a level of autonomy that it never held previously. I mean, first there were the 300 years where Christianity was illegal within the Roman Empire. Then, there was the period where it was legal, but had to contend with the emperors. After the Fall, it had to contend with the rise of the European kingdoms, such as Charlemagne's Frankish Empire. Once the Italian republics started forming, the Church lost all political autonomy for several centuries. Finally, starting with the Council of Trent, things slowly started to improve for the next 300 years, until, finally, the settlement with the unified Italy, and Vatican I.
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The church lost sovereignty, not autonomy. Also in the 12th century it rivaled the HRE, and could frequently enforce its will on kings in other nations. That is an insane amount of power for a church to have. Today it is sovereign but it doesn't rival any great power.
 
Martin McGuinness said:
The church lost sovereignty, not autonomy. Also in the 12th century it rivaled the HRE, and could frequently enforce its will on kings in other nations. That is an insane amount of power for a church to have. Today it is sovereign but it doesn't rival any great power.
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Yes, but the men wielding that power were more likely presiding due to support from secular authorities, rather than the bishops, who were supposed to be the ones making the decision.
 
Rune said:
I am not in favor of abortion if that is what you mean.
If one follows the teaching of Jesus though, one cannot possibly support the GOP.
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That is not really true . If you truly follow Jesus, I don't believe you can support the entire platform of any party.

You're just a simplistic hack.
 
Sailor said:
I asked this before and you had a meltdown. Let me ask again. How much did you give to charity last year? Zero as I recall by your meltdown. So why are you talking about things you never do idiot???
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It just amazes me how lefties think you have to give your money to the government on order to care for and about the poor.

People like Gomad are so stupid it boggles the mind.
 
Sailor said:
I asked this before and you had a meltdown. Let me ask again. How much did you give to charity last year? Zero as I recall by your meltdown. So why are you talking about things you never do idiot???
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Everything you just said right there is nothing but :lies:

But then you are a lying piece of dogshit.
 
Yaya said:
It just amazes me how lefties think you have to give your money to the government on order to care for and about the poor.

People like Gomad are so stupid it boggles the mind.
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Just pay your damned taxes and shut the fuck up, loser bitch.
 
Nomad said:
Do it some more and quit your damned bitching and whining like a bitch about it.
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Hell no. And when did I bitch about the taxes I pay. Go get the post or recant you lying shit.

Hell, I even donated money to the local library because the regular taxes are not enough to keep as nice as it could be. So you can pound sand you angry ass.
 
Yaya said:
That's what I thought, you didn't give a penny to charity, yet you called someone a liar who said you didn't.

Why do you hate poor people?
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Show me where I said I've never given to charity, liar.
 
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