Beware Trump's Impending War in Syria

christiefan915 said:
I'm not saying that's the main reason, it's a profitable tangent.

Why does trump want to expand the military to this extent? I recall rumsfeld et al. supporting a smaller, lighter military: High-technology combat systems; Reliance on air forces; Small, nimble ground forces. Help me understand why we need this huge expansion.

"Trump’s proposals for the military during his presidential campaign were drawn heavily from the conservative Heritage Foundation, and could cost between $55 billion and $90 billion per year, according to outside experts. The plan included adding tens of thousands of soldiers until the service reaches 540,000, expanding the Navy’s fleet to have at least 350 ships, adding about 100 Air Force fighter or attack jets until the service reaches 1,200, and increasing the number of Marine Corps infantry battalions from 24 to 36, which would include thousands of Marines."
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Yes, nothing happens in a vaccum.
I actually partly believe Drumpf is a chest pounding belligerent gorilla who just views military strength as an extension of his ego, in much the same way Stalin, Mussolini, and other authoritarians did.

But any sentient and informed human being also realizes that the military industrial complex serves the interests of powerful people. And one of the most powerful forces supporting military build ups and arms races is the profit motive. To me, the extent to which the Orange Clown personally profits is besides the point. He, his family, or his friends in the top 1 percent benefit directly or indirectly from a militarized America.
 
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christiefan915 said:
We seem to be talking apples-oranges here. My original comment was "Think of how much wealthier he and his cronies will become if there's war."

trump was more than just a real estate developer, what about all those good he was producing... clothing, liquor, steaks, water, home furnishings, fragrance etc. What about his bogus university? His failed airline?

trump's agenda is to make as much money as he can in any way he can. And you can bet your last dollar that if trump takes us to war, he will profit in that also.
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All his other ventures were trying to profit off the Trump brand. That doesn't have anything to do with war. The only way you've shown he will is by doing so illegally. I guess we will find out.
 
Cypress said:
Trump threatens Mexico over 'bad hombres'
By Associated Press
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump threatened in a phone call with his Mexican counterpart to send U.S. troops to stop "bad hombres down there" unless the Mexican military does more to control them itself, according to an excerpt of a transcript of the conversation obtained by The Associated Press.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-threatens-mexico-over-bad-hombres-234524

Trump Threatens Nuclear Arms Race
But earlier in the day, the president-elect also made clear that he meant what he said in a Twitter post on Thursday when he bluntly threatened to expand America’s nuclear arsenal after more than three decades in which the number of American and Russian weapons has shrunk. Sweeping aside efforts by his aides to temper his comments, or to suggest that he was merely talking about curbing the spread of nuclear technology, especially to terrorists, Mr. Trump told a talk-show host, Mika Brzezinski of MSNBC: “Let it be an arms race. We will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/...lear-arms-race-russia-united-states.html?_r=0

Trump Says U.S. Should Have Stolen Iraq’s Oil, and ‘Maybe We’ll Have Another Chance’
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/trump-u-s-may-get-another-chance-to-take-iraqi-oil.html
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I wouldn't call an arms race militarily adventurous; it's simply how we defeat our rival powers these days. And while I wouldn't recommend sending our troops south of the border, there is a century-old precedent for it. Personally, I think the cartels need to be crushed as surely as does ISIL. Naturally, it should be accomplished with Mexico taking the lead.
 
cawacko said:
Which of the stocks listed in his portfolio would skyrocket in value because of war in Syria? And as the article mentioned it's such a small percentage of his net worth he would cut his nose to spite his face if it hurt his real estate holdings.
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trump approved the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines. Coincidentally he has investments in both. Legal or illegal?

Oil company stocks would rise and he owns shares in Shell, Chevron, Exxon. Chevron and Exxon doubled in price during the Iraq war, and Shell Oil rose also.
 
Rescue workers find 101 bodies in Mosul building destroyed in alleged U.S.-led strike

IRBIL, Iraq — Rescue workers said Sunday they had finished extracting more than 100 bodies from the ruins of a house in Mosul where the U.S.-led coalition is alleged to have carried out an airstrike.*

The remains of 101 people had been recovered from the rubble by the end of the day, said Col. Safaa Saadi, a civil defense official on the scene. Families may have also removed “a few” bodies from the wrecked building themselves without registering them, he said.*

The civil defense teams are still working to clear other houses in the decimated neighborhood, where residents say some families were wiped out during a heavy bombardment involving coalition airstrikes and artillery as Iraqi forces advanced.*

The U.S.-led coalition has acknowledged that it carried out an airstrike against Islamic State fighters at the location corresponding to the allegations of civilian casualties, but it is still investigating the incident. The militants positioned snipers on rooftops and forced civilians to stay in the area as they battled advancing forces, residents said.*

Local officials have accused both the coalition and the Iraqi forces they are backing of acting with recklessness as they advance on the western side of the city, which is densely inhabited. Police forces have been using heavy artillery, and accusations of civilian casualties in U.S.-strikes since President Trump took office have raised questions about whether the new administration is fulfilling his pledge to ramp up the campaign against the Islamic State at the expense of civilians.*

“We request that when they do an airstrike they presume that there are civilians in these houses,” said Hussam al-Abar, a provincial council member. “They can’t just drop a half-ton bomb to kill a sniper when there may be a family inside.”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-strike/ar-BByPXAJ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
 
christiefan915 said:
trump approved the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines. Coincidentally he has investments in both. Legal or illegal?

Oil company stocks would rise and he owns shares in Shell, Chevron, Exxon. Chevron and Exxon doubled in price during the Iraq war, and Shell Oil rose also.
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Republicans have been for keystone all along so that's not surprising. The article you posted spoke about how little stocks are to his net worth. He stands to gain using gov't through his real estate at multiples of going to war so his holdings in oil stocks would go up. It doesn't make any sense
 
this thread is hilarious. :) "Trumps war in Syria" :rolleyes: How long has Syria been going on?
Since the first Obama administration.

Obama already has about 5k in Iraq and Syria- and Trump wants to add another 3k is it?
and that's the claim for Trump's "interventionism" or even more stupid "impending war in Syria"

OMG.. :awesome: awesomely ignorant.

ISIS will soon be routed in Syria. the US role under Obama and Trump is support and training the Iraqi's
and air cover. Iranian Qods forces, Turks and Peshmerga are all in..

Now compare this to Hillary as:
"chief US advocate and international organizer for regime change in Libya" (my words)
i.e. - that really was her war from beginning to end.

what a stupid waste of keystrokes this thread is
 
in sum: Although precise numbers are difficult to obtain, there seems little question that the number of civilians being killed by the U.S. in Iraq and Syria — already quite high under Obama — has increased precipitously during*the first two months of the Trump administration. Data compiled by the site Airwars tells the story: The number of civilians killed in Syria and Iraq began increasing in October under Obama but has now skyrocketed in March under Trump.
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to the bolded ( where do you people get this junk?)

Q. WHY has there been an uptick in civilians death in Iraq/Syria?
A. Because of house to house fighting in Mosul,and prepping Raqqa for liberation.

western Mosul is the old city -very narrow streets- so airstrikes need to get called in as ISIS fills the streets with booby rps
ta da..there is your "interventionism" OMG. I'm gonna read thru this crap thread of bogus nothingness
 
Milagro said:
Of course it is my business. The aftermath of Syria and Libya was a huge migrant crisis, did they head to the US or Europe, you arrogant twat? Fuck you with pink ribbons and a cherry on top!!

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Libya is the gift that keeps on giving
 
deliberative?? WTF does that mean? Deliberative in what sense in Syria/Iraq? -Do you think Hillary would have not done exactly this?
Part of the US force's role In Syria is to keep the Kurds and the Turks from killing each other over territory gains
Do you think Hillary would have done the same?

In Iraq the plan is to finish off Mosul,and then drive ( whatever forces - maybe not the Iraqi militias -but definately the Iranian Qods) north to bottle in ISIS in the villages of eastern Syria,and Raqqa.

Would not Hillary be doing the same as Obama,and the same as Trump?

Gawddamn.. this thread is low hanging fruit stupidity. :rofl2:
 
Chlorate said:
Man, if Douchebag Donald starts a war in Syria, it's going to come as a real shock to anatta, and to Trumptards like tsuke, who insist that his Republican detractors are the real warmongers.
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If Trump "starts" a war in Syria..he's going to need a time machine back past the ArabSpring:)
( the war has long "started" )
 
christiefan915 said:
I'm not saying that's the main reason, it's a profitable tangent.

Why does trump want to expand the military to this extent? I recall rumsfeld et al. supporting a smaller, lighter military: High-technology combat systems; Reliance on air forces; Small, nimble ground forces. Help me understand why we need this huge expansion.

"Trump’s proposals for the military during his presidential campaign were drawn heavily from the conservative Heritage Foundation, and could cost between $55 billion and $90 billion per year, according to outside experts. The plan included adding tens of thousands of soldiers until the service reaches 540,000, expanding the Navy’s fleet to have at least 350 ships, adding about 100 Air Force fighter or attack jets until the service reaches 1,200, and increasing the number of Marine Corps infantry battalions from 24 to 36, which would include thousands of Marines."
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Sequestor. It's not as bad at it could be since the F-35 has been deployed with larger production runs cutting costs.
Thankfully that turkey is flying, and out performing its expectations. Recall Trump actually jawboned down the costs!

The other aspect though is the NAVY, and AF's need more spare parts. And we have cut personnel to the point we are losing some quality officers.

After Trump attack, Lockheed Martin slashes F-35 cost
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/03/politics/f-35-lockheed-martin-cost-reduction/
Defense giant Lockheed Martin has agreed to sell 90 new F-35 fighter jets to the US Defense Department for $8.5 billion -- a deal that amounts to more than $700 million in savings over the last batch of aircraft delivered.
 
cawacko said:
Which of the stocks listed in his portfolio would skyrocket in value because of war in Syria? And as the article mentioned it's such a small percentage of his net worth he would cut his nose to spite his face if it hurt his real estate holdings.
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If he did start a war I would be very surprised if that didn't hurt his hotels business, many people would cancel or go elsewhere.
christiefan915 said:
trump approved the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines. Coincidentally he has investments in both. Legal or illegal?

Oil company stocks would rise and he owns shares in Shell, Chevron, Exxon. Chevron and Exxon doubled in price during the Iraq war, and Shell Oil rose also.
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Milagro said:
If he did start a war I would be very surprised if that didn't hurt his hotels business, many people would cancel or go elsewhere.



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Exactly. He stands to lose far more from his real estate than any gain from his stocks.
 
christiefan915 said:
trump approved the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines. Coincidentally he has investments in both. Legal or illegal?

Oil company stocks would rise and he owns shares in Shell, Chevron, Exxon. Chevron and Exxon doubled in price during the Iraq war, and Shell Oil rose also.
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The DAPL project was 90% complete when all the Standing Rock bullshit occurred, so it was originally approved by Obama. He caved in to pressure from the usual suspects, all Trump did was allow the remaining section of the pipeline to be completed.

Mark Twain was absolutely right when he said a lie can be halfway around the world before the truth has even got its boots on.

Key Facts

The pipeline was not on Indian land.

There are already eight pipelines going under Lake Oahe.

The new pipeline would in its own tunnel over 90ft below the lake bottom.

The current water intake for the Standing Rock reservation is being relocated 70 miles downriver.

The pipeline is not going through sacred ground.



https://daplpipelinefacts.com/

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