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Cypress said:
So here we go with the old "Democrats are just as bad if not worse than Republicans" meme.

Do you admit you were wrong, and Jarod, Evince, USCitizen, and I were right about the wisdom of invading Iraq? Just wondering what you think since you have had over a decade to think about the wisdom of your support for that invastion.



My conscience in clear, Cawacko. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary. And when my realistic voting choices came down to two people, both of whom initially supported that foolish invasion, I voted for the one that at least admitted years ago that her vote was a mistake. What was my other option, vote for a guy who actually lied about being against the war, while at the same time bellowing that we should have stolen the oil?

Cawacko, you anger is directed at the wrong person. It doesn't matter what I think of Obama, I know my opinion means nothing to you. I have posted tangible, reliable testimony of historical experts who rank Obama 12 best president ever. And you cannot claim these are biased Democratic historians, and they give prominent Republican presidents high marks.

I already gave you my personal reasons for why Obama was transformational. I'm not going to repeat myself. Ask any gay people you know how Obama has generally been on civil rights.
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I understand tone can be difficult on a board like this but I have no anger. Yes I am a political junkie but my day to day existence and happiness isn't based upon who is in the White House. And your giving the same answer everyone else does. To a democrat the democrat is the lessor or two evils. To a republican the republican is. (Anatta is probably the only person on this board who voted for both Obama and Trump).

Obama ran in 2008 against gay marriage. Hillary supported stronger anti marriage bills via her husband. So they were "progressive" after it was politically safe for them to be.
 
cawacko said:
I understand tone can be difficult on a board like this but I have no anger. Yes I am a political junkie but my day to day existence and happiness isn't based upon who is in the White House. And your giving the same answer everyone else does. To a democrat the democrat is the lessor or two evils. To a republican the republican is. (Anatta is probably the only person on this board who voted for both Obama and Trump).

Obama ran in 2008 against gay marriage. Hillary supported stronger anti marriage bills via her husband. So they were "progressive" after it was politically safe for them to be.
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Fair enough.
sidebar: You know, I might be the only person on this board who cast a vote for both Ronnie Raygun, and for Barack Obama. I'd like to think that gives me credibility for free thinking, and changing my mind based on facts and evidence.

I'd like to tell myself that. More likely, I probably became a lefty for the sex, drugs, and rock and roll! (j/k)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No Wacko. I'm a Keynesian/monetarist who believes there is a time and a place for public investment. I'm laughing cause history will blame an obstructionist congress for the weak recovery after the Bush recession as it is well known and time tested solutions to that problem that the GOP lead congress opposed every step of the way. This isn't arcane fed policy shit.

The fact is Obama is a moderate on fiscal policy who used proven methods to fix problems caused by free market fundamentalist supply siders.

Obamas major failure there was he didn't put enough of the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American public in prison for their crimes. Now that would have been transformational.
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I didn't even start on the Fed. He passed three major pieces of legislation, the stimulus, health care and Dodd Frank. The stimulus didn't reach its proposed goals, Dodd Frank hurt small banks and thus small businesses and healthcare hampered the econony as well. What he passed hurt the econony. Saying congress prevented from passing more similar legislation ion was a bad thing doesn't hold so much weight
 
Cypress said:
Fair enough.
sidebar: You know, I might be the only person on this board who cast a vote for both Ronnie Raygun, and for Barack Obama. I'd like to think that gives me credibility for free thinking, and changing my mind based on facts and evidence.

I'd like to tell myself that. More likely, I probably became a lefty for the sex, drugs, and rock and roll! (j/k)
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Actually Mott be in the same club as you if I'm not mistaken. This random but I know both my parents have voted for democrats, republicans and third party candidates for President. On a small board like this we tend to get more hard core partisans but in the real world there are a lot who aren't. Hell i'm a life long Repubkican and you couldn't have paid me to vote for Trump and I didn't. I voted for Gary Johnson. Now Johnson has his own issues but the lessor of two (very bad) evils wasn't enough for me this time.
 
Cypress said:
Fair enough.
sidebar: You know, I might be the only person on this board who cast a vote for both Ronnie Raygun, and for Barack Obama. I'd like to think that gives me credibility for free thinking, and changing my mind based on facts and evidence.

I'd like to tell myself that. More likely, I probably became a lefty for the sex, drugs, and rock and roll! (j/k)
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No, I did that too. Voted for Poppy Bush too. I switched to the Dems in 2004 over Iraq but that was just the straw that broke the camels back.
 
Truth Detector said:
^Spot on.



DUH: the man was a real genius. Of course, if you think saying "uh" and "me" or "myself" in every other word of as sentence is a sign of intelligence, you go for it! :rofl2:

Well, if there were any truth to this laughable statement, you wouldn't have voted for Obama or Hillary. I am betting that you did. Hypocrite.



Now you just engage in flat out lies; typical with the whiney hypocritical left. The notion that a successful businessman who has made billions and gone to Warton School of Business can't read is laughably stupid and false.

You liberals love making yourselves look like the pathetic jackasses that represents the party of the Jackass don't you?
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Funny you should mention my voting record, as I voted for neither Obama or Crooked Hillary. I've mentioned this more than a few times, and even posted a photo of my ballot checked for Evan McMullin, but, you're far too stupid to recall minor details. There are plenty of Trumptards, such as Tsuke, who did vote for Obama (twice!), so, you're in excellent company.

Now, you speak of the Jackass Party, named after Andrew the Jackass, but love a man who is considered to be most like the Jackass. Why, he's even a major douchebag.

You keep listening to Trump speeches, and tell me that he grasps the English language. As for lies, tell us again which country Obama was born in.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No, I did that too. Voted for Poppy Bush too. I switched to the Dems in 2004 over Iraq but that was just the straw that broke the camels back.
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Interesting. The Iraq War seems certainly to be a watershed moment for our generation. A time when one could either make the right decision....or the catastrophically wrong decision.

I think I gravitated towards the GOP in the 1980s because of my father's influence. I come from a line of Russian white émigrés...monarchists and nostalgic tsarists to a person, and fanatically anticommunist of course. I believe to them GOP was thus perceived as the more viable "anti communist" party to them. Ronald Reagan's anti-communism was certainly held up as a model for me.

In maturing, I obviously realized simply being sufficiently anti-communist was not really a tangible philosophy.

I believe the noted author Anton Chekhov articulates one aspect of a liberal philosophy, which to me is not only self evident but eminently moral:

“In my opinion it is harmful to place important things in the hands of philanthropy, which in Russia is marked by a chance character. Nor should important matters depend on leftovers, which are never there. I would prefer that the government treasury take care of it.” - Anton Chekhov
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Mott the Hoople said:
No, I did that too. Voted for Poppy Bush too. I switched to the Dems in 2004 over Iraq but that was just the straw that broke the camels back.
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You mean these Democrats that said what Bush said BEFORE Bush was President but were considered lies only when Bush said them?
 
Truth Detector said:
WTF was "immoral" about the Iraq or Afghanistan Wars you whiney leftist twit? What is immoral is doing nothing in the face of despotism and terrorism.

Dunce.
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It only became immoral to the left and what was said about Iraq lies after Bush became President.
 
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