Russia must pay

anatta said:
because the new arms race is working out so well?
Russian arms aren't the old Soviet crap, so we have to meet them in quantity as well as quality.

Germany warns of dangers of new arms race with Russia as conflict in Ukraine intensifies
Sigmar Gabriel has used his first visit to Moscow as foreign minister to underscore his concerns about Russia’s military buildup in the Baltic region and its western borders.

He also expressed concerns about the conflict’s resulting “exorbitant military spending increases”.
Mr Gabriel added that both sides in the conflict needed to implement measures already agreed, including the withdrawal of heavy equipment from the line of conflict.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...a-ukraine-conflict-intensifies-meeting-moscow
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No one should give a fuck what the Krauts have to say.
 
anatta said:
you write drivel. where do you see any "western responses tempered"?
are you not familiar with the YUGE expansions of weapons and personnel by NATO already?

just exactly what have we "tempered?"
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Russia expanded into Crimea, and from what I can tell, Douchebag Donald couldn't care less. Is he not Western?
 
Cypress said:
You have actually never met any Russians have you?
I know more about Russians, than you could learn in a decade of reading your preposterous right wing blogs.

Russians survived the siege of Lenningrad. Russians survived Stalin. Russians survived a war of annihilation with the Nazi war machine.
Russians have known for centuries what suffering is... and have survived it all with grim fortitude and inner strength.

Putin laughs at the tiny little sanctions the EU and the United States place on Russia as "punishment" for invading a sovereign nation.
They are of little consequence to him as a deterrent.
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you are finally making sense. I'm Polish . My grandmother was from the old country. I completely understand.

Dostoevsky: "the most basic, most rudimentary spiritual need of the Russian people is the need for suffering, ever-present and unquenchable, everywhere and in everything"
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so if you can't beat Putin by "suffering" ( sanctions) -and the Cold war 2.0 isn't keeping him from expanding
outwards in the middle east and wherever he sees an opening -what do you do?

You talk to him. You make it known that any incursion into eastern Europe will be met with force.
Even that wouldn't have stopped Crimea where he used "little green men" and trucks to move in.
But any incursions into the baltics ( which he would never do) is going to bring a proportionate response.

But if he behaves, then we could eventually lift sanctions..etc
DEAL WITH HIM

But what would you do if he went into Moldova? or if he really went into Romania?
Article 5 of NATO ties us into mutual defense Do we want to be going to war over Romania or Moldova
or Georgia?
That's why you don't do formal NATO expansion, even if you have "spheres of influence"agreed to w/Putin.
 
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The true winner would be to have a Christmas Tree, but to celebrate Festivus, instead of Christmas, for maximum anti-PC effect.
 
Chlorate said:
Russia expanded into Crimea, and from what I can tell, Douchebag Donald couldn't care less. Is he not Western?
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Putin did whatever he wanted under Obama and nobody cared, much. Hell, Obama even promised Putin he could 'be more flexible' after getting reelected. Heaven help us if Trump ever says that.

And now all of sudden Russia this Russia that lol.

It reeks of partisan hackery.
 
Chlorate said:
No one should give a fuck what the Krauts have to say.
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your blistering Amerika type jingoism is dangerous.
It's what got us interventionism into Iraq, and meddling in Syria,and of course Libya
.Germany is our largest NATO partner and you don't care what they say?
 
anatta said:
you are finally making sense. I'm Polish . My grandmother was from the old country. I completely understand.

Dostoevsky: "the most basic, most rudimentary spiritual need of the Russian people is the need for suffering, ever-present and unquenchable, everywhere and in everything"
++
so if you can't beat Putin by "suffering" ( sanctions) -and the Cold war 2.0 isn't keeping him from expanding
outwards in the middle east and wherever he sees an opening -what do you do?

You talk to him. You make it known that any incursion into eastern Europe will be met with force.
Even that wouldn't have stopped Crimea where he used "little green men" and trucks to move in.
But any incursions into the baltics ( which he would never do) is going to bring a proportionate response

But what would you do if he went into Moldova? or if he really went into Romania?
Article 5 of NATO ties us into mutual defense Do we want to be going to war over Romania or Moldova
or Georgia?
That's why you don't do formal NATO expansion, even if you have "spheres of influence"agreed to w/Putin.
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Do you really want to be going to war with Russia over any NATO member?
 
anatta said:
your blistering Amerika type jingoism is dangerous.
It's what got us into Iraq, and meddling in Syria,and of course Libya.Germany is our largest NATO partner and you don't care what they say?
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Not unless it has something to do with proper brewmastery.
 
Darth Omar said:
Putin did whatever he wanted under Obama and nobody cared, much. Hell, Obama even promised Putin he could 'be more flexible' after getting reelected. Heaven help us if Trump ever says that.

And now all of sudden Russia this Russia that lol.

It reeks of partisan hackery.
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exactly. Obama did the SAME THING these dunderheads want to.
Don't talk to Putin /marginalize him/treat him solely as a "regional power". European Reassurance Initiative.

How did that work out for us?
 
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