A majority of white voters elected THE worst president in history. Intelligent???

cawacko said:
Gov't programs aren't bringing these people back. Your whole premise here is wrong. You're arguing over which "side" gives more instead of what can cities and communities do to evolve from old steel towns into new dynamic 21st places
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Do you realize why the racist right started the bogus small government argument?
 
cawacko said:
It's not a side, that's the whole point. It's not the gov't that will bring change
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The government collects the taxes that help it's citizens with social and economical issues.....amongst other things.

The private sector isn't going to do shit for anyone but themselves. If we could depend on the private citizens and corporations we wouldn't need the government to intervene.
 
Sailor said:
That is surprising coming from you BAC. You are a businessman. You practice it every day.
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Business is not free good brother, nor are the markets.

As a businessman, I fully recognize my responsibilities to the society I live in.

Maybe this will help ..

There’s no such thing as a “free market”
“Few ideas have more profoundly poisoned the minds of more people," argues the former secretary of labor

excerpt

“Few ideas have more profoundly poisoned the minds of more people than the notion of a ‘free market’ existing somewhere in the universe, into which the government ‘intrudes,’” Reich writes early in the book. “In this view, whatever inevitable consequences of impersonal ‘market forces’ …If you aren’t paid enough to live on, so be it. If others rake in billions, they must be worth it. If millions of people are unemployed or their paychecks are shrinking or they’ll have to work two or three jobs and have no idea what they’ll be earning next month or even next week, that’s unfortunate but it’s the outcome of ‘market forces.’”

Reich’s point is governing classes and government have always created the rules of the economic game. These legal frames and the systems they support affect a nation’s well-being and daily life more than the size of any government program. Reich gives many examples tracing how wealthy interests have used a mix of contributing to candidates’ political campaigns and deployed post-election lobbying to create a system that’s neither free nor arbitrary, but rigged to benefit the few at the expense of the many. He does this by breaking down the building blocks of American capitalism in order to show how the economy is constructed and where it must change. He delves into what it means to own property, what degree of monopoly is permissible, how contracts have evolved, what are the options when bills can’t be paid, and how the economy’s rules are enforced.

“The rules are the economy,” he writes, saying this is not a new observation. “As the economic historian Karl Polanyi recognized [in his book, The Great Transformation], those who are argue for ‘less government’ are really arguing for different government—often one that favors them or their patrons. ‘Deregulation’ of the financial sector in the 1980s and 1990s, for example, could more appropriately be described as ‘reregulation.’ It did not mean less government. It meant a different set of rules.”

Thus, it was not some amorphous free spirit that allowed Wall Street to start its ill-fated stampede of speculation “on a wide assortment of risky but lucrative bets, and allowing banks to push mortgages onto people who couldn’t afford them” that lead to the global recession of 2008. It was the friendliest American government that campaign cash and lobbying could buy that ushered forth a “freer” marketplace. While that analysis is not unique nor even in dispute, the propagandistic phrase that drove the lobbying and was touted in Congress as it deregulated Wall Street endures. There is no shortage of “free market” champions and purveyers of “government-hands-off” ideology today.
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/29/robert_reich_theres_no_such_thing_as_a_free_market_partner/

A 'free lassiez-faire market' exists nowhere on planet earth other than inside a libertarians wet dream.

Don't know why? SEE: the Robber Barons
 
blackascoal said:
Business is not free good brother, nor are the markets.

As a businessman, I fully recognize my responsibilities to the society I live in.

Maybe this will help ..

There’s no such thing as a “free market”
“Few ideas have more profoundly poisoned the minds of more people," argues the former secretary of labor

excerpt

“Few ideas have more profoundly poisoned the minds of more people than the notion of a ‘free market’ existing somewhere in the universe, into which the government ‘intrudes,’” Reich writes early in the book. “In this view, whatever inevitable consequences of impersonal ‘market forces’ …If you aren’t paid enough to live on, so be it. If others rake in billions, they must be worth it. If millions of people are unemployed or their paychecks are shrinking or they’ll have to work two or three jobs and have no idea what they’ll be earning next month or even next week, that’s unfortunate but it’s the outcome of ‘market forces.’”

Reich’s point is governing classes and government have always created the rules of the economic game. These legal frames and the systems they support affect a nation’s well-being and daily life more than the size of any government program. Reich gives many examples tracing how wealthy interests have used a mix of contributing to candidates’ political campaigns and deployed post-election lobbying to create a system that’s neither free nor arbitrary, but rigged to benefit the few at the expense of the many. He does this by breaking down the building blocks of American capitalism in order to show how the economy is constructed and where it must change. He delves into what it means to own property, what degree of monopoly is permissible, how contracts have evolved, what are the options when bills can’t be paid, and how the economy’s rules are enforced.

“The rules are the economy,” he writes, saying this is not a new observation. “As the economic historian Karl Polanyi recognized [in his book, The Great Transformation], those who are argue for ‘less government’ are really arguing for different government—often one that favors them or their patrons. ‘Deregulation’ of the financial sector in the 1980s and 1990s, for example, could more appropriately be described as ‘reregulation.’ It did not mean less government. It meant a different set of rules.”

Thus, it was not some amorphous free spirit that allowed Wall Street to start its ill-fated stampede of speculation “on a wide assortment of risky but lucrative bets, and allowing banks to push mortgages onto people who couldn’t afford them” that lead to the global recession of 2008. It was the friendliest American government that campaign cash and lobbying could buy that ushered forth a “freer” marketplace. While that analysis is not unique nor even in dispute, the propagandistic phrase that drove the lobbying and was touted in Congress as it deregulated Wall Street endures. There is no shortage of “free market” champions and purveyers of “government-hands-off” ideology today.
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/29/robert_reich_theres_no_such_thing_as_a_free_market_partner/

A 'free lassiez-faire market' exists nowhere on planet earth other than inside a libertarians wet dream.

Don't know why? SEE: the Robber Barons
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Nothing from Robert Reich is really worth reading. The man has always been supported by government or academia. Never had to make a living in the real world. A free market as you know is systems where costs of goods and services are determined by open market and consumers where supply and demand are free from intervention of government. For 90% of the businesses in this country anyway that is true. There are exceptions obviously, but those generally apply to certain public costs and are pretty rare.
 
blackascoal said:
Start with healthcare .. and before you say something stupid, tell me about the GOP healthcare plan that NOBODY is clamoring for.
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I'm white and I don't want government healthcare.

Have you considered people have different priorities? Maybe white people are happy not being takers?
 
Sailor said:
Nothing from Robert Reich is really worth reading. The man has always been supported by government or academia. Never had to make a living in the real world. A free market as you know is systems where costs of goods and services are determined by open market and consumers where supply and demand are free from intervention of government. For 90% of the businesses in this country anyway that is true. There are exceptions obviously, but those generally apply to certain public costs and are pretty rare.
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Reich is but one of a multitude of thinkers who know there is no such thing as a free market. You are free to reject them all .. but where on earth does such a libertarian wet dream actually exist?

Answer: NOWHERE

The Myth of the Free Market: You’ll Find a Unicorn Before You Find a Free Market

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http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/201...find-a-unicorn-before-you-find-a-free-market/


The free market? There's no such thing
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2015/10/free-market-theres-no-such-thing
 
Tom is a bogman said:
I'm white and I don't want government healthcare.

Have you considered people have different priorities? Maybe white people are happy not being takers?
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There are FAR more white people on Obamacare than anyone else.

Maybe you should go tell that to all the WHITE people protesting against removing Obamacare.

Maybe you should tell that to your republican politicians who are losing their minds about how badly their party is going to be hurt by Obamacare.
 
TTQ64 said:
The government collects the taxes that help it's citizens with social and economical issues.....amongst other things.

The private sector isn't going to do shit for anyone but themselves. If we could depend on the private citizens and corporations we wouldn't need the government to intervene.
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It's about fucking time those demanding the government constantly take care of them do something for themselves. When are those lazy pieces of shit going to provide for themselves?

You're the first bleeding heart that has admitted you aren't doing enough individually for all those you say need help. Since it's not my responsibility to take care of anyone else, I can't be held accountable if they don't get what they need. Since you believe it is yours, since we can't depend on you to do enough, you're the one being held accountable for not doing what you say you should be doing.
 
blackascoal said:
There are FAR more white people on Obamacare than anyone else.

Maybe you should go tell that to all the WHITE people protesting against removing Obamacare.

Maybe you should tell that to your republican politicians who are losing their minds about how badly their party is going to be hurt by Obamacare.
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do you know what priorities are?

Here is an example, often repeated in the book "whats the matter with kansas", where liberal elites wonder why white people don't want to be takers.

Religion, family values, and other such things can take precedence. Just because people don't want to be takers doesn't mean they are voting against their own interests.
 
blackascoal said:
Reich is but one of a multitude of thinkers who know there is no such thing as a free market. You are free to reject them all .. but where on earth does such a libertarian wet dream actually exist?

Answer: NOWHERE

The Myth of the Free Market: You’ll Find a Unicorn Before You Find a Free Market

fm11.jpg


http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/201...find-a-unicorn-before-you-find-a-free-market/


The free market? There's no such thing
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2015/10/free-market-theres-no-such-thing
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I read it BAC, I just find it difficult to listen to someone who has not done it or lived it. By definition, and by actual practice, there is free markets. You and I both set our costs in businesses and prices for our services/goods. The government does not tell me how much either of us can charge right? Consumers decide that. Either they will pay it or not. Now if Reich had wanted to make the point that government regulations on industries have an effect on our costs and therefore prices, I would agree.
 
blackascoal said:
There are FAR more white people on Obamacare than anyone else.

Maybe you should go tell that to all the WHITE people protesting against removing Obamacare.

Maybe you should tell that to your republican politicians who are losing their minds about how badly their party is going to be hurt by Obamacare.
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There are 5x as many whites to draw from as any other group.

100 marbles could be put into a bag. Each marble would represent 1% of the total percentage of each race/ethnicity in the U.S. 68 of them would be white. 14 would be brown. 13 would be black. 4 would be yellow, and 1 would represent all the groups (Native American, Alaska Native, Pacific Islander) commonly labeled as other. You're the kind of dumbass that would be shocked if after pulling out 25 marbles, the majority were white but proportional to the 68% whites make up of the population.

If blacks make up only 13% of the population, why do they have, as a proportion to their race, 1 in every 3 1/2 on food stamps while whites have only 1 in 12 of their population?
 
Tom is a bogman said:
do you know what priorities are?

Here is an example, often repeated in the book "whats the matter with kansas", where liberal elites wonder why white people don't want to be takers.

Religion, family values, and other such things can take precedence. Just because people don't want to be takers doesn't mean they are voting against their own interests.
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That bullshit flies in the face of the truth all around you.

More Whites get Obamacare Coverage than Blacks and Latinos Combined
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-white-black-hispanic-numbers

Obamacare Enrollees, By the Numbers

Among those who chose a health plan via the federally facilitated marketplace and indicated their ethnicity, 62 percent (2,360,672 enrollees) identified as white, 16.7 percent (625,934) are African-Americans, 10.7 percent (403,632) are Latino and 7.9 percent (298,515) identify as Asian. Approximately 31 percent of those who enrolled via the FFM did not report race or ethnicity.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/05/27/obamacare-enrollees-by-the-numbers
 
Sailor said:
I read it BAC, I just find it difficult to listen to someone who has not done it or lived it. By definition, and by actual practice, there is free markets. You and I both set our costs in businesses and prices for our services/goods. The government does not tell me how much either of us can charge right? Consumers decide that. Either they will pay it or not. Now if Reich had wanted to make the point that government regulations on industries have an effect on our costs and therefore prices, I would agree.
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Tell me WHERE a free market exists on planet earth?

It doesn't. It's just some libertarian delusion.
 
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