Study: Prematurely Migrating Birds Too Stupid to Realize Climate Change a Hoax

aloysious said:
I read the article. All it discusses is that there was no warming hiatus as stated by the IPCC.
No, all you can totally see is a graph. Nothing stated , much less concluded, about any anthropogenic signal.
In fact, I've never read a scientific article that actually concluded AGW. They certainly imply it. I'd be interested in reading it if you could find one.
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The final minus raw represents the adjustments. Look at the graph and see that they have increasingly added to present temps via adjustment and at the same time they have cooled the past via adjustments.
The hiatus was slayed by Karl et al 2015, but as I mentioned above, if you want to believe that sort of climate science you have to accept that it's good science to adjust towards the most inaccurate data.

I hope you know I am not a believer that anthropogenic carbon dioxide will lead to CAGW. Climate sensitivity has been systematically overstated by climate scientists.
 
tinfoil said:
I hope you know I am not a believer that anthropogenic carbon dioxide will lead to CAGW. Climate sensitivity has been systematically overstated by climate scientists.
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Which is where I am.
But a friend of mine who was a physicist at NASA told me grant money comes easier when climate studies are biased.
 
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String, as a Libertarian what role do you feel the gov't should play in dictating policy that on paper addresses global warming?
 
aloysious said:
Hmm. So you don't know either. I thought you did since you claimed AGW had been verified . To my knowledge it's never come close to being verified.
I'll do some scientific article reviews on the subject and get back to you when I actually find something. Don't hold your breath waiting though, because I've reviewed this topic before (about two yrs. ago) and couldn't find anything. Perhaps some new research has come to light.
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https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...e-Climate-Change-a-Hoax&p=1861066#post1861066

I reject the premise of your post and your "question".
I have played this game of 1,000 questions with deniers before. And I am not going to engage in a discussion that is essentially the rhetorical equivalent of asking whether the earth is flat.
 
Cypress said:
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https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...e-Climate-Change-a-Hoax&p=1861066#post1861066

I reject the premise of your post and your "question".
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. Can't blame you. You will not find any verification. But if you believe in catastrophic apocalyptic AGW I certainly would not hold it against you unless you piss my tax dollars away due to that belief.
Cypress said:
I have played this game of 1,000 questions with deniers before. And I am not going to engage in a discussion that is essentially the rhetorical equivalent of asking whether the earth is flat. .
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No comparison. You will not find any PhD's in physical chemistry that think the earth is flat. On the other hand...
 
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Cypress said:
I have many interests, and have to be cognizant of how to spend my time usefully.

Debating a climate science denying flat earther on an interwebs forum is not high on my list.

Every government of every nation on the Planet met in Paris recently, and all agreed this was a serious environmental threat, and steps had to be taken to reduce human emissions of DHG.

Every. Single. Government.
On. The. Planet.


You actually want me to take the considerations of you and a few crackpots seriously? Surely you jest.
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didnt they rely on data cherry picked to prove climate change for that? I believe the researcher said they had 3 data points and always picked the one that would prove climate change while ignoring the other two.
 
aloysious said:
. Can't blame you. You will not find any verification. But if you believe in catastrophic apocalyptic AGW I certainly would not hold it against you unless you piss my tax dollars away due to that belief. No comparison. You will not find any PhD's in physical chemistry that think the earth is flat. On the other hand...
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Boo hoo about your rinky-dink little tax dollars.

Don't get too comfortable with the spending cuts on research Comrade Trumpsky and the GOPolitburo are enacting, because they won't last long. And when it ends, I hope YOU are among those who get smacked with a big fat tax increase.
 
Wrong, Mr. "PhD in Physical Chemistry".
Natural causes has been ruled out with a high degree of scientific certainty and deviation from a natural baseline is known with a high degree of scientific certainty.

I gave you links to some of the most reputable scientific organizations on the planet, and it would have taken a renowed "scientist" such as yourself five minutes to familiarize yourself with the scientific basis answering your question - if you had even been actually interested in the answer.

The burden is not on me to prove to you what now amounts to settled science.

If you want to make a claim that is very far outside the norms of accepted science - namely that the rate of global warming is all natural - then the burden is on you to provide a body of scientific evidence from a range of reputable peer reviewed sources having expertise in climate science, demonstrating your assertion is true.

I am not obligated to accept the premise of random "questions", unless you can prove there is a credible basis supporting the premise of your question.

I am also not obligated to accept the premise of an anonymous poster on the interwebs who has no expertise in climate science, over the judgement of all the national governments on the planet who signed the Paris climate accord.

We're done chief. I don't like to waste time with founding members of the Flat Earth Society.
 
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You're just wasting a lot of time and effort trying to have a rational discussion with these right-wing puppets.

Every time you state an actual fact, they just pull some contradiction out of their ass and misrepresent it as an actual fact.
 
Nomad said:
Boo hoo about your rinky-dink little tax dollars.

Don't get too comfortable with the spending cuts on research Comrade Trumpsky and the GOPolitburo are enacting, because they won't last long. And when it ends, I hope YOU are among those who get smacked with a big fat tax increase.
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Nothing screams white trash, welfare collecting asshole like that statement. I imagine if you actually had to pay taxes you might change your mind Jethro.
 
cawacko said:
To me the ultimate question is what do you want done to our economy.
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In the end Laws of Economics will outweigh and outlast nebulous beliefs . Because of this I'm not concerned. Sure we'll get uber liberals making naive decisions based on their arrogant belief they know better what to do with our lives than we do because they believe they're smarter than the rest of us. But that's only transient.
If the snowflakes and moonbats are outraged by Trump they have to look no farther than the overreach of Obamaism as one of many reasons he's their president.
 
Holy Crap! Hold the phone folks!

Let's throw out the last 30 years of legitimate climate science, and call all the governments of all the nations on the planet back to Paris so they can tear up the accord, because a couple of anonymous flat earthers on the interwebs said that global warming is a hoax, its all natural, and/or its nothing to worry about!
 
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Cypress said:
Holy Crap! Hold the phone folks!

Let's throw out the last 30 years of legitimate climate science, and call all the governments of all the nations on the planet back to Paris so they can tear up the accord, because a couple of anonymous flat earthers on the interwebs said that global warming is a hoax, its all natural, and/or its nothing to worry about!
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The climate is changing. No doubt about that. Are you trying to say that the planet has not warmed up before though? Naturally.
 
Sailor said:
The climate is changing. No doubt about that. Are you trying to say that the planet has not warmed up before though? Naturally.
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Nope. You don't get to do that.

You do not get to retreat, back pedal, and goal post move away from previous wingnut claims about hoaxes, faked data, and vast global conspiracies to dupe the public.

At the height of the phony Climategate non-scandal, winguts - to a man - did a victory dance and falsely claimed that the scientific community had been faking data, and perpetrating a hoax on the public.

Any sentient adult also remember when wingnuts - to a man - denied there was any global warming at all. Their favorite pet theory was that warming was fake, and being cause by urban heat islands.

You own the claims of hoaxes, conspiracies, and data fabrication. You are not, under any circumstances allowed to innocently claim you supposedly knew all along that the earth was warming, that climate was changing.

If you would keep from changing your stories a full 180 degrees, then maybe you could be trusted to debate honestly
 
Cypress said:
Nope. You don't get to do that.

You do not get to retreat, back pedal, and goal post move away from previous wingnut claims about hoaxes, faked data, and vast global conspiracies to dupe the public.

At the height of the phony Climategate non-scandal, winguts - to a man - did a victory dance and falsely claimed that the scientific community had been faking data, and perpetrating a hoax on the public.

Any sentient adult also remember when wingnuts - to a man - denied there was any global warming at all. Their favorite pet theory was that warming was fake, and being cause by urban heat islands.

You own the claims of hoaxes, conspiracies, and data fabrication. You are not, under any circumstances allowed to innocently claim you supposedly knew all along that the earth was warming, that climate was changing.

If you would keep from changing your stories a full 180 degrees, then maybe you could be trusted to debate honestly
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WTF are you talking about? How about your just answer the question?
 
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