Director of the FBI calls Rump out on lies!

Jarod said:
What makes that obvious? Because the liar in chief said so?
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Is anyone disputing it? The bbc is a pretty reliable source. I don't know if has been confirmed but it does not seem like anyone is contradicting it. Wired seemed to rely on it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427
https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-wiretap-trump-tower-not-obama-worry/

But it is possible that a warrant could have been issued without the tap being placed. I don't know if there is any evidence that the tap was placed or what the source is for the stuff about the targets, either.
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
Is anyone disputing it? The bbc is a pretty reliable source. I don't know if has been confirmed but it does not seem like anyone is contradicting it. Wired seemed to rely on it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427
https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-wiretap-trump-tower-not-obama-worry/

But it is possible that a warrant could have been issued without the tap being placed. I don't know if there is any evidence that the tap was placed or what the source is for the stuff about the targets, either.
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the director of the FBI is denying it.
 
Here is why it's going to backfire on Trump.

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-wiretap-trump-tower-not-obama-worry/

“You can’t tap the phones of a political candidate for political purposes,” says Doss.


What you could tap them for? Acting as a foreign power, or as an agent of a foreign power. In other words, spying against US interests with both knowledge and intent.

Clearing that bar is difficult, by design. FISA warrants don’t allow for broad wiretaps of, say, every call going in and out of a specific office in a 58-story Manhattan skyscraper. Federal authorities must demonstrate not just probable cause, but that a given phone line serves primarily to undermine US interests. It’s difficult, for instance, to obtain a warrant to wiretap a shared office, for fear of picking up innocent third-party conversations.


“I have high confidence that a FISA court judge would not have authorized any warrant unless it met all the requirements under the statute,” says Doss.


Trump’s wiretap claims, then, carry presumably inadvertent implications. First, based on previous reporting and the nature of FISA courts, any wiretaps within Trump Tower would be legal. And they would stem from overwhelming evidence that the Trump campaign, or someone within it, has unsavory ties to Russia or another foreign power. Otherwise, it’s unlikely those wiretaps would exist at all.


If federal authorities did have cause to listen in on Trump Tower, though, and they provided enough evidence for a FISA court to approve the snooping, Obama is not the one who ought to worry.
 
Jarod said:
Cite? The Director of the FBI deny's it.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts

The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus.

Thats for the first one that they attempted to get a warrant for trump tower but was denied.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
Is anyone disputing it? The bbc is a pretty reliable source. I don't know if has been confirmed but it does not seem like anyone is contradicting it. Wired seemed to rely on it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427
https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-wiretap-trump-tower-not-obama-worry/

But it is possible that a warrant could have been issued without the tap being placed. I don't know if there is any evidence that the tap was placed or what the source is for the stuff about the targets, either.
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Neither of your citations says anything about a warrant allowing Obama to tap Trump's phones.
 
tsuke said:
This part doesnt seem to be in dispute.

1) There was an initial FBI request that was rejected.

2) The FBI resubmitted the request after narrowing it down and it got approved.
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According to whom? No intelligence agency can find the FISA request.
 
Jarod said:
the director of the FBI is denying it.
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Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.

https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/

This is for the fact that it was eventually granted.
 
The White House is skirting scrutiny over trump's libel, by saying that they won't comment further until Congress investigates trump's lies. How convenient.
 
Althea said:
The White House is skirting scrutiny over trump's libel, by saying that they won't comment further until Congress investigates trump's lies. How convenient.
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multiple sources have already confirmed that at the very least a request was made and was denied.
 
tsuke said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts

The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus.

Thats for the first one that they attempted to get a warrant for trump tower but was denied.
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No a cite saying that President Obama tapped Trump's phones..... Nothing! You have given a cite claiming that the FBI asked for a warrant and it was denied. BTW, if this story was critical of Trump, he would call it FAKE news because the source is not disclosed.
 
tsuke said:
Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.

https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/

This is for the fact that it was eventually granted.
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Heatstreet? What is that? Do they have a reputation for being trustworthy? Seriously? The NYT is fake news, but they are quoting something called heatstreet?
 
Jarod said:
Neither of your citations says anything about a warrant allowing Obama to tap Trump's phones.
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from his article (wired)

The most detailed account thus far, from the BBC in January, provided a timeline: The Justice Department sought a FISA warrant in June to intercept communications from two Russian banks suspected of facilitating donations to the Trump campaign. The judge reportedly rejected the warrant, as well as a narrower version sought in July. A new judge granted the order in mid-October, according to the BBC.
 
tsuke said:
from his article (wired)

The most detailed account thus far, from the BBC in January, provided a timeline: The Justice Department sought a FISA warrant in June to intercept communications from two Russian banks suspected of facilitating donations to the Trump campaign. The judge reportedly rejected the warrant, as well as a narrower version sought in July. A new judge granted the order in mid-October, according to the BBC.
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That is not what you claimed, oh, and btw "Wired" is about a quarter point better than "Heatstreet".
 
WSJ - Washington Goes Nuts

The political brawl over Russia, the Trump campaign and U.S. intelligence has reached the point where basic questions about U.S. institutions and trust in government are at stake. Democrats are trying to capitalize on anonymous leaks based on U.S. intelligence collection to destroy the Trump Presidency, and the President is responding with a fusillade of unproven accusations. To adapt Benjamin Franklin ’s comment about the Constitution, you have a banana republic, if you can keep it.

Pardon the gallows humor, but what a spectacle. Democratic leaders and the media wildly overreacted to last week’s news, based on a leak, that Attorney General Jeff Sessions met with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S. in the not-so-secret lair of his Senate office. Resign. Special prosecutor. Watergate.

Then the President, with his familiar self-restraint, replied with a Saturday morning Twitter barrage alleging that former President “ Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism !” Mr. Trump offered no evidence for his claims, which may have been based on a report by a radio talk-show host.

The political upshot is that, in this supposedly mature democracy, the current President is accusing his predecessor of trying to subvert his victory, while the former President’s party accuses Mr. Trump of colluding with the enemy in the Kremlin. Forget “Wag the Dog” or “The Manchurian Candidate.” Hollywood couldn’t make this up.

What the country desperately needs are some grown-ups to intervene, discover the facts, and then lay them out to the American people. This should include contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign as well as any efforts during the Obama Administration to monitor Trump advisers.
http://www.freemarketcentral.com/post/5687/washington-goes-nuts
 
Jarod said:
What request was made? are you talking about that bastin of creditability "heatstreet"?
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well when i mention the first part aka the request has been made that one is coming from bbc and nyt :) I dont find them particularly credible but apparantly you do :)
 
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