Ethical Question: Cloning Neanderthal

Bigdog said:
You want to try these ethics questions, Dick?

Is an unborn human a person? ... at what point do you draw the line when defining what constitutes a person? ... is a human life sacred even if it's not a "person"?
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No, like I said, I don't want to discuss abortion. I have been round and round on it before. Boring!
 
Taft2016 said:
You type out so much stupid shit, it's hard to keep track of it. Even if I wanted to...

Besides, this is a discussion of ethics, so there's really no right or wrong answer to anything. I said that long ago.

Whatever the scenario is, it's just opinions to generate conversations. Which you continually shit up with your stupidity and Tarzan chest thumping.
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So ethics is not about right or wrong? Okay, whatever TapsOut.

We see you still did not answer.
 
TheDonald said:
Taft, your DNA is 1 to 4 percent Neanderthal , thus they are not another species, they are merely different than you. They were considered another species before DNA analysis could be done
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Taft can not accept that he is part neanderthal...
He found an old study that said they were a separate species, and Taft said OH BOY! We could clone slaves that look like us and are as smart as us and no one could call us racists...
He sounds more and more like a fucking racist Nazi, every time he speaks...
 
Dick from the Internet said:
So ethics is not about right or wrong? Okay, whatever TapsOut.

We see you still did not answer.
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Whew. Big Dog is right.... you are a dumbfuck.

The discussion about ethics does not have answers that are right or wrong, as in correct or incorrrect.

Your intelligence is really not up to this discussion.... or any discussion for that matter.

Sad.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
Taft can not accept that he is part neanderthal...
He found an old study that said they were a separate species, and Taft said OH BOY! We could clone slaves that look like us and are as smart as us and no one could call us racists...
He sounds more and more like a fucking racist Nazi, every time he speaks...
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Says the Klansman who thinks African Americans are a different species.

Sad.
 
Taft2016 said:
Whew. Big Dog is right.... you are a dumbfuck.

The discussion about ethics does not have answers that are right or wrong, as in correct or incorrrect.

Your intelligence is really not up to this discussion.... or any discussion for that matter.

Sad.
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I disagree. It is not right to enslave humans is the correct answer. It's sad that you don't agree.
 
Taft2016 said:
And here's an update from this past summer Dickwad:

Harvard Medical School scientists need a female volunteer willing to give birth to a genetically modified Neanderthal


(NaturalNews) One of the world's leading geneticists wants to bring back an extinct human species by cloning it from reconstructed DNA, then implanting the resulting embryo into the womb of a human woman.


"Now I need an adventurous female human," said George Church of Harvard Medical School. "It depends on a hell of a lot of things, but I think it can be done."


Church wants to resurrect Neanderthals, which went extinct 33,000 years ago. Although popular culture has portrayed Neanderthals as stupid, brutish and wild, evidence suggests that they were probably as intelligent as our own species.


Major ethical concerns


Church is one of the originators of the Human Genome Project that mapped the human genetic code. He is also one of the foremost developers of the field of synthetic biology.


He says that he has collected and analyzed enough Neanderthal DNA from bone fragments to create an artificial reconstruction – yes, just like the artificial reconstruction of dinosaur DNA at the center of the plot of Jurassic Park. Church would then inject this DNA into human stem cells, and later inject those stem cells into a fertilized human embryo. Church believes that the stem cells – with Neanderthal DNA – would hijack the DNA of the embryo and lead to the development of a Neanderthal instead of a human.


The embryo would be implanted into a human surrogate to develop in utero.


"It is hard to know where to begin with the ethical and safety concerns," responded Philippa Taylor of the Christian Medical Fellowship.


In an interview with German magazine Der Spiegel, Church sets out his tenuous rationale for the project.


"Neanderthals might think differently than we do. They could even be more intelligent than us," he said.


"When the time comes to deal with an epidemic or getting off the planet, it's conceivable that their way of thinking could be beneficial."


Of course, Church completely ignores or glosses over the massive safety and ethical implications of his genetic tampering. Experts have raised concerns about the possibility of genetic errors producing deformity in the cloned Neanderthals, while others have noted that a 33,000-year extinct species would have no immunity to modern diseases.
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http://www.naturalnews.com/054766_genetic_engineering_Neanderthal_child_Harvard.html
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LOL TapsOut fell for this garbage. I did not have to get past "Natural News" to know it was bs!



In a phone interview Tuesday, Church noted that he is not working on sequencing Neanderthal DNA. He is not synthesizing it. He is not working on cloning any whole organisms, Neanderthal or otherwise. He said the pickup of the news story and the subsequent headline creep online has been instructive and made him concerned about the level of basic science literacy, in comparison to other spheres of society.




“When you see how gullible people were on this particular incident, I wonder,” Church said. “If we really talked about [science] as much as we talk about other things,” would this same thing have happened?
 
Taft2016 said:
I agree it is wrong to enslave homo sapiens.

Other species I am not so sure about, which is the point of this conversation.

Are there any other species you would extend this right to?
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Neanderthals are humans. Again, your clone might be able to produce fertile offspring with modern homo sapiens. It's not your pig. It's a human.

Have I brought up extending rights to other species before?
 
TheDonald said:
It has to be fiction until it is done, the question is how well preserved is the DNA
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The OP's premise is based on the proposed possibility of cloning mammoths.
For those involved with that project they do not even consider the possibility of recovering a full genome that would produce a true "clone". Viable mitochondrial DNA is the the best that could be hoped for, so any "clone " would have to be 1/2 woolly mammoth and 1/2 Asian elephant. So the OP's concept is stupid from the get go...
What he would be talking about if it were to come to fruition is a Neanderthal Homo sapiens mix...
Combine that with the knowledge that most of us on this planet are already a mix of Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens and his racist based pipe dream of enslaving a species of people becomes even more absurd.
Taft is dreaming of bringing back some form of human slavery..
He is that fucking transparent...
He is that much of a fucking scumball...
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
The OP's premise is based on the proposed possibility of cloning mammoths.
For those involved with that project they do not even consider the possibility of recovering a full genome that would produce a true "clone". Viable mitochondrial DNA is the the best that could be hoped for, so any "clone " would have to be 1/2 woolly mammoth and 1/2 Asian elephant. So the OP's concept is stupid from the get go...
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Ehh, no. They recovered a full mammoth from the melting permafrost.

The process would involve removing the elephant genes from an elephant egg and replacing them with a mammoth's genes. The elephant would only serve as a surrogate.

What he would be talking about if it were to come to fruition is a Neanderthal Homo sapiens mix...
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Wrong again. Same process.

Combine that with the knowledge that most of us on this planet are already a mix of Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens and his racist based pipe dream of enslaving a species of people becomes even more absurd.
Taft is dreaming of bringing back some form of human slavery..
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And wrong again, oh great white supremacist.

All of which is irrelevant though, and misunderstands the entire thread's premise.

But thanks for playing.... Jay, what does Fuckley get for playing?

Fuckley will be receiving Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco treat!
 
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