Spicer: States will likely see 'greater enforcement' of federal law against rec mj

[sear]

""Selective enforcement"is what Obama did too.nothing new here. See the Cole memos" a #140

Yes BUT !!

Obama's "selective enforcement" was about:
- NON-combativeness

- States rights (the will of the People) [Significant to note the States rights argument is one that Republicans favor, when it suits them, yet one they simultaneously reject when it doesn't]

Have you forgotten in how many cases the States with either medical mj, and or recreational mj, those States obtained it not BECAUSE of their State legislature, but despite it? That the law was manifest by plebiscite, bypassing both State and federal legislatures entirely.

So if Trump makes good on the implications of his threats of martial oppression, he'll be using U.S. federal power, the power of the People, to thwart the will of the People as expressed by the democratic process.

WHAT A SURPRISE!!

The guy that LOST the vote (but won the election) would use U.S. paramilitary means to thwart the democratically arrived at will of the People. Apparently that's how one goes about making America Great Again.

 

[anatta]

""Selective enforcement"is what Obama did too.nothing new here. See the Cole memos" a #140

Yes BUT !!

Obama's "selective enforcement" was about:
- NON-combativeness

- States rights (the will of the People) [Significant to note the States rights argument is one that Republicans favor, when it suits them, yet one they simultaneously reject when it doesn't]

Have you forgotten in how many cases the States with either medical mj, and or recreational mj, those States obtained it not BECAUSE of their State legislature, but despite it? That the law was manifest by plebiscite, bypassing both State and federal legislatures entirely.

So if Trump makes good on the implications of his threats of martial oppression, he'll be using U.S. federal power, the power of the People, to thwart the will of the People as expressed by the democratic process.

WHAT A SURPRISE!!

The guy that LOST the vote (but won the election) would use U.S. paramilitary means to thwart the democratically arrived at will of the People. Apparently that's how one goes about making America Great Again.

i can barely follow this. plebiscite is process.the issue is how the fed;s enforce no matter how the states came about
marijuana law..

what is "paramilitary means" to thwart the will of the people-?

 

[Timshel]

"Trump is not enforcing the Federal law." DI #136

You think it will stay that way for 4 years?

I support full legalization. But you are missing the point. Trump and his minions claim that they are only doing what is right in enforcing the law as written. But then they are not doing that. Spicer said they would only start reinforcing the federal law in those states with recreational and that they would not go after medical. Those recreational states happen to be pretty blue states.

The enforcement is clearly political. While the executive enjoys some power to establish enforcement priorities I don't think that covers political vendettas.

 

[Timshel]

"Selective enforcement"is what Obama did too.nothing new here. See the Cole memos
http://mjbizdaily.com/the-famous-ma...ormer-doj-deputy-attorney-general-james-cole/

No, it's nothing like that. If he does not want to make enforcement of the federal mj laws a priority or wants to show respect to the power of the people in ALL states to choose for themselves that is one thing but he cannot (or should not be able to) use our federal laws to go after his enemies in one state while ignoring that his friends are violating the law in another.


Nice try, comrade, but I don't think you are up to making it work with informed Americans.

 

[Althea]

I support full legalization. But you are missing the point. Trump and his minions claim that they are only doing what is right in enforcing the law as written. But then they are not doing that. Spicer said they would only start reinforcing the federal law in those states with recreational and that they would not go after medical. Those recreational states happen to be pretty blue states.

The enforcement is clearly political. While the executive enjoys some power to establish enforcement priorities I don't think that covers political vendettas.

Well, trying to make sense of the static that rattles around trump's brain is an exercise in futility.

Having said that, 90% of all 'medical' pot is indeed used for recreational purposes. It just adds a few middle men to the price. This will make the black market producers very happy again.

 

[Timshel]

Well, trying to make sense of the static that rattles around trump's brain is an exercise in futility.

Having said that, 90% of all 'medical' pot is indeed used for recreational purposes. It just adds a few middle men to the price. This will make the black market producers very happy again.

Yeah, honestly, I am not sure they will actually follow through here. Spicer is an idiot and nothing he says is very important. Sessions has long had it out for mj but there is going to be pushback. Their attempt to enforce it only in the blue states where they have little to lose might not be enough to protect them from it.

 

[CFM]

FUCK OFF! I don't need instructions from someone as stupid as you on my word choices!

I did not use it as a definition, I mentioned those things in the same sentence because they are OBVIOUSLY related. Apparently, you did not know but it is a fact that federalism deals with issues raised by "states' rights" arguments and those concerning local control.

The only enumerated power in the constitution even related to immigration is granted to congress.

If congress could simply grant the President exemption from the tenth amendment it would absolutely destroy federalism.

You are a fraud. You apparently don't have the first clue what our Constitution says or what federalism is.

Did the little pussy get his feelings hurt?

 

[Timshel]

Did the little pussy get his feelings hurt?

Yes, annata, seems a little hurt by his embarrassing defeat. Outside of the suspension clause, there are no exemptions to the Constitution.

 

[CFM]

I support full legalization. But you are missing the point. Trump and his minions claim that they are only doing what is right in enforcing the law as written. But then they are not doing that. Spicer said they would only start reinforcing the federal law in those states with recreational and that they would not go after medical. Those recreational states happen to be pretty blue states.

The enforcement is clearly political. While the executive enjoys some power to establish enforcement priorities I don't think that covers political vendettas.

You mean like Obama's political mindset in his failure to enforce federal law in those blue areas where sanctuary cities existed? Strange how you overlook what the black President did and only address the white one. Racist.

 

[CFM]

Yes, annata, seems a little hurt by his embarrassing defeat. Outside of the suspension clause, there are no exemptions to the Constitution.

You got yours hurt, NL.

When you ignore what the black BOY President did when it comes to political agendas and his failure to enforce federal law due to those agendas, you lose. But, you're a born loser and nothing will ever change that fact.

Get back to looking out for the freaks, illegals, and other other cretins in society you think deserve anything other than 2nd class status.

 

[Timshel]

You mean like Obama's political mindset in his failure to enforce federal law in those blue areas where sanctuary cities existed? Strange how you overlook what the black President did and only address the white one. Racist.

He was enforcing federal law in those areas. Apprently, you ignored the facts in that San Fran murder. But he had no power to force the state/locals to enforce federal law. Neither, does Trump. He will certainly lose on that issue.

 

[CFM]

He was enforcing federal law in those areas. Apprently, you ignored the facts in that San Fran murder. But he had no power to force the state/locals to enforce federal law. Neither, does Trump. He will certainly lose on that issue.

Keep kissing Obama's black ass. Obama failed to enforce federal law on immigration and it was politically motivated. It's that simple. Pucker up, NL.

 

[Timshel]

Trump will not be able to force the police of California or any other state/municipality to enforce the federal law on mj. He can't make SF enforce those law any more then he can force them to enforce federal immigration law.

That you idiots claim to support "states' rights" and federalism is amusing.

 

[CFM]

Trump will not be able to force the police of California or any other state/municipality to enforce the federal law on mj. He can't make SF enforce those law any more then he can force them to enforce federal immigration law.

That you idiots claim to support "states' rights" and federalism is amusing.

There are ways in which Trump can do things to where those locals will choose to do so and think it was their idea in the first place.

You claim to understand federalism then support mandatory programs like Obamacare. Idiot.

 

[Timshel]

There are ways in which Trump can do things to where those locals will choose to do so and think it was their idea in the first place.

You claim to understand federalism then support mandatory programs like Obamacare. Idiot.

Trump's powers of persuasion only work on uneducated morons and low information voters like you.

This is not about Obamacare which I have not supported. Stop trying to change the subject, coward.

Obama did as much as he was empowered to do in enforcing the immigration laws in sanctuary cities. Also, I don't see any indication that he only went after those sanctuary cities in states he lost. Your arguments are throwaway nonsense presented by a dumbass that apparently has little information.

http://cis.org/Sanctuary-Cities-Map

 

[CFM]

Trump's powers of persuasion only work on uneducated morons and low information voters like you.

This is not about Obamacare which I have not supported. Stop trying to change the subject, coward.

Obama did as much as he was empowered to do in enforcing the immigration laws in sanctuary cities. Also, I don't see any indication that he only went after those sanctuary cities in states he lost. Your arguments are throwaway nonsense presented by a dumbass that apparently has little information.

http://cis.org/Sanctuary-Cities-Map

Obama himself said he couldn't do, based on the Constitution, what he eventually did related to immigration. Your arguments are nothing more than those of the typical NL. Pucker up.

The information that matters is Trump is doing things you don't like and there isn't a damn thing a pussy like you can do about it. Keep crying, pussy.

 

[Timshel]

Obama himself said he couldn't do, based on the Constitution, what he eventually did related to immigration. Your arguments are nothing more than those of the typical NL. Pucker up.

The information that matters is Trump is doing things you don't like and there isn't a damn thing a pussy like you can do about it. Keep crying, pussy.

He could not force state and local governments to enforce federal law. That's due to the principles of federalism which you attack. Trump will not be able to either and there is not a damn thing you will be able to do about it. All he will accomplish is wasting tax dollars on this legal battle and reaffirming the anti commandeering doctrine.

 

[CFM]

He could not force state and local governments to enforce federal law. That's due to the principles of federalism which you attack. Trump will not be able to either and there is not a damn thing you will be able to do about it. All he will accomplish is wasting tax dollars on this legal battle and reaffirming the anti commandeering doctrine.

I didn't say force. I said ways where the states/locals will choose to do it and think it was really their choice.

Let's check your consistency on supporting federalism. Should the federal government be involved in public education?

 

[Timshel]

I didn't say force. I said ways where the states/locals will choose to do it and think it was really their choice.

Let's check your consistency on supporting federalism. Should the federal government be involved in public education?

There's just no limit on how stupid, misinformed and cowardly a Trumpette can be.

That's not going to happen and it has nothing to do with the topic. Trump's eo is an unconstitutional attempt to commandeer local and state police forces.

You are talking about federalizing the police force and eliminating state/local control over enforcement priorities. Why even have local governments?

I have not heard anything near that proposed in the field of education. Your attempts to change the subject into partisan crap fails.

 

[sear]

" Obama failed to enforce federal law on immigration " CM #152

abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661
Aug 29, 2016 ... Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President. ...

"Trump will not be able to force the police of California or any other state/municipality to enforce the federal law on mj. He can't make SF enforce those law any more then he can force them to enforce federal immigration law." DI #153

Some report the Trump administration might want them deputized.
But their local commanders don't want that. I gather it's unlikely to happen.

"He with two masters serves neither."

"There are ways in which Trump can do things to where those locals will choose to do so and think it was their idea in the first place." CM #154

Right, and Mexico's gunna pay for the wall.

"He could not force state and local governments to enforce federal law. That's due to the principles of federalism ..." DI #157

There are "principles" (your word) and there are laws. They are not always the same.
Years ago the standard was that the local police were not to "enforce federal law", but to hold suspects, persons without papers, until they could be interrogated / investigated by the proper federal agents.
But the feds were lackadaisical about holding up their end of the bargain thus snarling and squandering local police resources. Eventually, perhaps not out of spite but out of necessity the locals stopped holding the W.O.P.s

There's more than one way to skin a cat.