The Theory of Political Capital: Why Trump does not have to compromise with the left

Vengeance said:
Every executive order Trump passes needs to be invalidated. Every court pick needs to be rescinded. Every law this illegitimate congress passes needs to be repealed. The Republican party is not a legitimate participant in our political system. They are the world's largest terrorist organization, and need to be treated as such. The Republican party has no right to exist.
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allahu akbar allahu akbar allahu akbar!
 
Political Capital is an arbitrary construct to keep anyone from really rocking the boat. It's one of the virtually unspoken "same page" issues Democrats and Republicans are on while at each other's throats about much more trivial matters. For example, The New Deal would be impossible to get passed if it had to navigate the waters of Political Capital.

Sadly, the first president in a long time to realize "there is no spoon" is a Right Wing douchbag.


-- a reply from reddit that made me lol and i wanted to share with you guys.
 
K I L L said:
BAC you literally haven't accomplished anything yet. gorsuch will be SJC, devos got in, sessions got in, rex got in, we withdrew from the TPP, etc
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He has turned into a truly bitter and twisted man, it is sad to see really.

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K I L L said:
that's one poll. other polls have him as high as 55%. polls of likely voters def have him higher than 38%. polls of all americans means dick when it comes to the electoral landscape.

Secondly even if we were to accept the 38% number, his floor is virtually capped. He can't go much lower now and only has room to improve.

I have heard this "trump is super doomed" scenario for more than a year now. It's gotten you no where. You've been wrong over and over. Hilarious you think now is the time you are finally right.
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K I L L said:
BAC you literally haven't accomplished anything yet. gorsuch will be SJC, devos got in, sessions got in, rex got in, we withdrew from the TPP, etc
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Well what isn't being addressed is that political capital, like all capital, gets spent and when you run out then you're out and must acquire more to spend more.

Currently Trump has spent a great deal of political capital producing a great deal of comedy and and trying to keep the wheels on the crazy train but he hasn't spent any on a legislative agenda where political capital counts.

Since neither political party seems to be able stand prosperity it is probably just a matter of time where the strategy BAC described, combined with grass roots activism, starts to work and it may not be as long as you think but that is the least of my concerns about Trump.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well what isn't being addressed is that political capital, like all capital, gets spent and when you run out then you're out and must acquire more to spend more.

Currently Trump has spent a great deal of political capital producing a great deal of comedy and and trying to keep the wheels on the crazy train but he hasn't spent any on a legislative agenda where political capital counts.

Since neither political party seems to be able stand prosperity it is probably just a matter of time where the strategy BAC described, combined with grass roots activism, starts to work and it may not be as long as you think but that is the least of my concerns about Trump.
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I address that point actually. My major contention is that Trump hasnt spent political capital yet. He hasnt asked his supporters to do anything they dont want to as everything he has done is his campaign promises.

Suppose you had a bill that gave 1 million to everyone or something equally as popular. You wouldnt have to spend political capital on it as everyone would like it. In fact sane people would spend political capital to oppose it as their voters would wonder why. Now narrow the field to republican only. You wouldnt have to spend political capital to impose stronger border controls or even do a travel ban.

Also the notion that political capital is a static thing to be gained during elections and spent afterwards is outdated. We are in permanent campaign mode hence capital can be gained and spent at any point in time.
 
tsuke said:
dont worry we still have manchin and the rest of the blue dogs in case we really need it :)
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I am, or was, a BlueDog for over a decade. I am now registered as an Independent.

Yes, Trump will have the support of the "Were-Blue-Dogs".

But, after what the Far-Left has been doing since Trump took office, Most Blue Dogs I know have also given up on the Obama-Transformed Democratic Party, and abandoned their Democratic Party Registration and Membership.

So, It may not FEEL or Appear to be the Blue-Dog who are crossing the aisle to add their support to Trump, because we no longer have Dem Membership.

Obama and the Far-Left have destroyed the Democratic Party, and it is no longer a Major American Party.

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tsuke said:
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The Theory of Political Capital: Why Trump does not have to compromise with the left

Analysts like Morning Joe and others always point out that Trump is using up his political capital by making his moves and that he needs to reach out to the left in order to govern and rebuild it. This shows a fundamental misunderstanding in our political class about what exactly political capital is and how it is spent.

Political capital is the technical term for your currency in governing. It is used to get people to support things that they would normally oppose. Political capital is not only something you get during an election to be spent during your tenure, it is a fluid thing. When you do things that a person or group does not like you lose political capital and when you do things that a person or group likes then you gain political capital.

Trump

What has Trump done so far? He has rolled back regulations, nominated a justice the right loves, tried to impose harsher entry procedures, cracked down on illegals, and placed a cabinet the right mostly likes. If anything Trump even has more political capital with his voters than when he started. There is a portion of his voters who held their noses and voted for him for the supreme court pick and they are behind him now more than ever. After all they know they can count on him for future picks. Has Trump annoyed the left? Yes he has but he never had any political capital with them anyway. You can't lose what you don't have. In fact he may have gained more with the TPP pullout.

Obama

Contrast this with Obama. His first major legislation was Obamacare. The right was never going to like it no matter what so he was going to lose some political capital with them. The left should have liked it since that is what they voted him on. Except they didn't. In an effort to compromise the provisions the left liked such as single payer were removed from the bill. By handling it this way Obama lost political capital with both the right and the left. At the end of the day he will go down as the president who decimated the democratic party. While Trump by sticking to his promises will have built up the GOP in the midterms.

Compromise

The main talking point of the left is that in order to succeed Trump must compromise with them. Nothing could be further from the truth. The left has no power. They are not needed to pass anything in congress and the court will soon be conservative. Compromising with the left will only lead to the alienation of Trump's base which would be suicidal and would get you nothing. The people filing cases to stop your orders will not stop just because you compromise with others.

The left uses a moral argument as well. Trump is President of the whole country therefore he has to do what we want even if we lost. At the end of the day there is no merit in compromising with people who think you are literally Hitler. You may as well get your agenda done and win them over with success as any compromise will not do it. If you're agenda was going to fail then it would have failed anyway without them.

It would be nice if the country was unified but it does not have to be. There are two competing visions for the country and at certain points they cannot be reconciled nor should they have to be. Everyone seems to forget that on the top of most historians list of great presidents is Abraham Lincoln. Instead of compromising with half the country he went to war with them. If he compromised with the democrats of his time African Americans would still be slaves.
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Political capital refers to a mandate, not a loss in the general election. trump's numbers in the election don't do anything to show any real 'capital'.

And Obama's first major legislation was the Stimulus, which will be necessary again after trump loses re election. Ironic how Republicans love his infrastructure plan now, but always hate same when Dems. hold the White House.
 
Darth Omar said:
Dude lol, he's not even been in office a month. Wait till the first meaningful jobs/economy numbers come out.

Then, we'll talk about how good your strategy is, or isn't.
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The Radical Far-Lefties will do everything they can to now torpedo the economy.

Problem is, the Business community, aghast at the new costs and regulations of the Obama Transformation and the ACA, have been holding off on capital improvements and expansion for 8 long years.


Now, for the first time in more than 20 years, we have a businessman President....

They won't keep holding off, they're going to start expanding and investing, and that's is going to spring up all sorts of long dormant economic activity.

The Far-Lefties, by their own anti-Capitalist Bias, don't have many friends, and little knowledge of the Business community, they only understand Big Government and Cronnie Corps, so they have no in-roads or strings into the very group they need to control to stop the Trump Agenda from rapid fiscal results.

Worse, for the Radical Far-Left, Trump is cutting off funding to things like AGW research, the Leftie-Twisted version of Common-Core, the EPA, Green Energy, etc.

So, there will be an Economic Down Turn in 2017/2018, but ONLY among the Lefties.

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Without the BlueDogs and the Working White Voters, the Democratic Party will whether and shrink, until they are a historical footnote, right next to Whiggs.

Yet, the Radical Far-Lefties, the "Progressives", who are now in control of the Democratic Party, will never allow the voices of the Moderate "Liberals" to be heard, much less heeded.

The Anti-Capitalist, Pro-Socialism, and Anti-White, Pro-People-of-Color-ONLY, message of the "Progressives" will keep the Democratic Party from winning back the BlueDogs and the Working Whites.

There still are allot of "Liberals" in the Democratic Party, but they have no power and no respect from the "Progressives".

The Liberals have little Voice and No Choice....

So, it only a matter of time before they start looking around for a new, 3rd party, to move to, where their concerns will be appreciated and their voices will be heard.

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Kurmugeon said:
Without the BlueDogs and the Working White Voters, the Democratic Party will whether and shrink, until they are a historical footnote, right next to Whiggs.

Yet, the Radical Far-Lefties, the "Progressives", who are now in control of the Democratic Party, will never allow the voices of the Moderate "Liberals" to be heard, much less heeded.

There still are allot of "Liberals" in the Democratic Party, but they have no power and no respect from the "Progressives".

The Liberals have little Voice and No Choice....

So, it only a matter of time before they start looking around for a new, 3rd party, to move to, where their concerns will be appreciated and their voices will be heard.

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Bawahahaha, yeah, right, sure, Trump has energized Democrats like nothing I have seen since Nixon.
 
Kurmugeon said:
I am, or was, a BlueDog for over a decade. I am now registered as an Independent.

Yes, Trump will have the support of the "Were-Blue-Dogs".

But, after what the Far-Left has been doing since Trump took office, Most Blue Dogs I know have also given up on the Obama-Transformed Democratic Party, and abandoned their Democratic Party Registration and Membership.

So, It may not FEEL or Appear to be the Blue-Dog who are crossing the aisle to add their support to Trump, because we no longer have Dem Membership.

Obama and the Far-Left have destroyed the Democratic Party, and it is no longer a Major American Party.

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The Blue Dawgs are douchebags, and the far left did not destroy the Democratic Party. It was a fucking cesspool for decades before the first leftists came along.
 
Pocahontas said:
The Blue Dawgs are douchebags, and the far left did not destroy the Democratic Party. It was a fucking cesspool for decades before the first leftists came along.
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Bawahahahaha, says the man who belongs to the party of Trump, Cheney, and Nixon. I won't put Reagan in there, he at least had a soul.
 
Queen Snowflake said:
Bawahahaha, yeah, right, sure, Trump has energized Democrats like nothing I have seen since Nixon.
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Maybe Trump has energized the remaining Democrats, without the BlueDogs or the Working Whites... which really isn't much of voter base now is it?


Certainly not enough to win National Elections.

Or sure, you'll re-elect Nancy Pelosi and Maxine waters, from a Local, Heavy Blue districts... but you won't win the POTUS with that voter base.


By the Numbers, Without Working Whites, the Democratic Party isn't even a 3rd Party.


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Kurmugeon said:
Maybe Trump has energized the remaining Democrats, without the BlueDogs or the Working Whites... which really isn't much of voter base now is it?


Certainly not enough to win National Elections.

Or sure, you'll re-elect Nancy Pelosi and Maxine waters, from a Local, Heavy Blue districts... but you won't win the POTUS with that voter base.


By the Numbers, Without Working Whites, the Democratic Party isn't even a 3rd Party.


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