Fears of a ‘Deep State’ in America

Jarod said:
Planing the leaks instead of the information contained in the leak is absolutely ridiculous.
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Trump needs to be watched VERY closely by the Intelligence community. No one with a brain should ignore the possibility of Trump creating his own terrorist event for political gain.

The IC, FBI, and every other agency should continue to leak every chance it gets.
 
anatta said:
Jesus Christo Mott. It's from the New York Times- today's issue.

If you can't see how dangerous the Deep State is to Constitutional government TODAY -AS IN CURRENT EVENTS-
then you just don't get the danger of bureaucratic rule .

Does the bureaucracy serve the president or themselves?
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I could care less this whole shadow government stuff is Desh level bat shit crazy.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
The Whistleblower Protection Act does not allow for someone like Snowden to reveal classified information to members of congress. He could have filed a complaint with his bosses but it was/is unclear that the courts would have done anything to protect him from reprisal.
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It protects employees, but he was a contractor,,I don't know -i;m not going to pretend to be a lawyer.

Regardless he was the exception to the rule -as was Deep Throat ( for 2 different reasons)
Look how many other cases are routinely prosecuted under the Espionage Act-and that is exactly what the IC
is doing.
There is no just cause here for leakage-they work for POTUS,and there will be an investigation
and they should face ordinary penalties.

The politization of the IC is never a good thing under any president of any party.
I can't see how that can be disagreed upon
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I could care less this whole shadow government stuff is Desh level bat shit crazy.
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I suppose instead of an Obama holdover conspiracy it could just be a handful of bumbleheaded liberals acting independently......its so hard to tell the Obama administration apart from bumbleheaded liberals......
 
anatta said:
It protects employees, but he was a contractor,,I don't know -i;m not going to pretend to be a lawyer.

Regardless he was the exception to the rule -as was Deep Throat ( for 2 different reasons)
Look how many other cases are routinely prosecuted under the Espionage Act-and that is exactly what the IC
is doing.
There is no just cause here for leakage-they work for POTUS,and there will be an investigation
and they should face ordinary penalties.

The politization of the IC is never a good thing under any president of any party.
I can't see how that can be disagreed upon
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What's the exception?

He was no exception. He would be in jail right now if he had not fled.

Your exception seems to be that you think the leak does political damage to the other side. It is you who wants the IC politicized.

I am just saying that so long as the President lies to the American public then you can expect leaks. Your witch hunt (even if it is allowed to happen) will not stop that.
 
Yaya said:
Um, I started because Rune started it with Anatta, but of course you don't think Rune is Yurt. Go back and look at the posts.
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yes, but you're making it an issue and using language that Yurt used in the same fashion, it is uncanny the similarities of the attack style.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
What's the exception?
He was no exception. He would be in jail right now if he had not fled.
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his exception was his cause was more then partisan politics

Your exception seems to be that you think the leak does political damage to the other side. It is you who wants the IC politicized.

I am just saying that so long as the President lies to the American public then you can expect leaks. Your witch hunt (even if it is allowed to happen) will not stop that.
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a witch hunt?? ROFL.
It's an investigation of leaks-violating expressed statutes in the Espionage act! It's a no brainer.
If anyone knowingly publishes classified data...etc.

Politicization is politicization regardless of party- and it's inherently bad news.
The IC has a duty to remain in compliance...They routinely deal in classified info..is this so hard for you to understand?
Please don't ask me to explain why -I mean even a partisan hack like yourself can see this?
 
anatta said:
I'm a he.
Snowden would have to be called to testify. He could certainly brief - in classified committees,not open testimony
But Snowden isn't the issue here -and he had intent to protect the Constituion -a noble goal.

What nobility of leakage is coming out of the IC? It looks to be pure spite.
Besides they are bound by confidentiality in order to protect presidential perogative of policy.
The leaks so the opposite of that. They can only hamstring a POTUS.
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Stop being a coward and say what you really mean.

It's President Obama's fault.
 
anatta said:
his exception was his cause was more then partisan politics

a witch hunt?? ROFL.
It's an investigation of leaks-violating expressed statutes in the Espionage act! It's a no brainer.
If anyone knowingly publishes classified data...etc.

Politicization is politicization regardless of party- and it's inherently bad news.
The IC has a duty to remain in compliance...They routinely deal in classified info..is this so hard for you to understand?
Please don't ask me to explain why -I mean even a partisan hack like yourself can see this?
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So intent, as determined by you, is all that matters? I say, the current leakers have a cause that is more than partisan politics. You have no objective way of disproving that claim anymore than you can objectively prove that Snowden's cause was virtuous.

It's a witch hunt.

The President has a duty to tell the American people the truth. I know this is hard for you, a fascist dumbass, to understand. Quit lying and the leaks will go away.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
So intent, as determined by you, is all that matters? I say, the current leakers have a cause that is more than partisan politics. You have no objective way of disproving that claim anymore than you can objectively prove that Snowden's cause was virtuous.
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if you are correct Snowden had no recourse then jail or leak for a cause like supporting the 4th amendment-then yes his intent was much more then temporal politics

It's a witch hunt.
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it's a normative investigation into classified leaks - actually it's more then justified as the leaking is fast and furious
The President has a duty to tell the American people the truth. I know this is hard for you, a fascist dumbass, to understand. Quit lying and the leaks will go away.
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show me a law where it says the POTUS must tell the truth? It's a good idea. It's a political goal we all have -but it's not an expressed duty of Office
His oathe of office is to protect the Constitution. He has a duty to ask for an investigation into leaks
as they can jeopardize national security -and that goes to his oathe of Office..

I understand the difference between politics, politicization, Constitutional duties ,and statutory law.
You mix them up with little to no regard for discreet definitions, which is typical of your sloppy writings/ideas.
 
anatta said:
if you are correct Snowden had no recourse then jail or leak for a cause like supporting the 4th amendment-then yes his intent was much more then temporal politics
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The point is that there is no bright line between these leaks. Your metric is purely political.


anatta said:
it's a normative investigation into classified leaks - actually it's more then justified as the leaking is fast and furious
show me a law where it says the POTUS must tell the truth? It's a good idea. It's a political goal we all have -but it's not an expressed duty of Office
His oathe of office is to protect the Constitution. He has a duty to ask for an investigation into leaks
as they can jeopardize national security -and that goes to his oathe of Office..
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His lies put him in conflict with the oath of office.

anatta said:
I understand the difference between politics, politicization, Constitutional duties ,and statutory law.
You mix them up with little to no regard for discreet definitions, which is typical of your sloppy writings/ideas.
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Do you have any example of this? Of course not.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
The point is that there is no bright line between these leaks. Your metric is purely political.
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it's innately more important to protect the Constitution then to politicize the IC

His lies put him in conflict with the oath of office.
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"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Do you have any example of this? Of course not.
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they are manifest throughout this thread..
 
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