Fears of a ‘Deep State’ in America

anatta said:
You throw up some language from a POTUS oathe of Office -and then tell me it's the IC's job?
The IC could actually go to Congress if it was so doomesday scenario.

You are advocating bureaucratic rule..fool
Click to expand...

No you stupid asshole.

I am advocating all manner of checks and balances.

Remember Deep throat you fucking retard?

You are advocating totalitarianisn
you fetid useful idiot.
 
anatta said:
Snowden was a 1 in a billion "good leak" because it went to process of protecting the Constitution from abuse to the 4th.
In that case I would have gone to Congress -
Rand Paul would have gladly taken it up, and the same thing would have been accomplished
Click to expand...

Congress is part of the problem you lily livered unAmerican faggot.

Who passed the Patriot Act you fucking ignorant shitstain?
 
anatta said:
I read your "context" it was lacking.
I've gotten pretty good at decoding TrumpSpeak and Rune-scribe but that one was unbaked.
Click to expand...

It was your context I replied to.
I took a course called Reading Comprehension 101.
You should have too.
 
anatta said:
t's not about "private citizens" -it's about government employees following classification laws.
I realize that might be a foreign concept for Hillary supporters to grasp, but get a clue about the Espionage Act.
Click to expand...

It's about the private citizens that you specifically mentioned. Since private citizens have no power to "classify" you seem to think they are not entitled to privacy.

If the laws are being abused to cover up lies you are going to get leaks. It's just a simple fact of human nature. Not every government agent is a wannabe brownshirt, like you and the PiMPle. Some of them got into the work because they really believed all that "land of the free" bullshit.
 
Rune said:
No you stupid asshole.
I am advocating all manner of checks and balances.
Remember Deep throat you fucking retard?
You are advocating totalitarianisn
you fetid useful idiot.
Click to expand...
Gawddamned you have no ability to prioritize. information just runs around your brain without an ability to conceptualize the context.

How far into SYSTEMATIC CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR was the investigation by the time Deep Throat
was involved?
You had a criminal in the White House supported by criminal aides etc..
we are talking about normal Deep State leaks because they are butt hurt, or oppose policy-
and are using their position of influence to undermine in an illegitimate manner.

Put down the bhong for once before you attempt cognition.
 
anatta said:
Snowden was a 1 in a billion "good leak" because it went to process of protecting the Constitution from abuse to the 4th.
In that case I would have gone to Congress -
Rand Paul would have gladly taken it up, and the same thing would have been accomplished
Click to expand...


??? You would have leaked your information to Rand Paul? You and maybe, Rand Paul would then be in jail. How does that make anything better?
 
Dick from the Internet said:
It's about the private citizens that you specifically mentioned. Since private citizens have no power to "classify" you seem to think they are not entitled to privacy.

If the laws are being abused to cover up lies you are going to get leaks. It's just a simple fact of human nature. Not every government agent is a wannabe brownshirt, like you and the PiMPle. Some of them got into the work because they really believed all that "land of the free" bullshit.
Click to expand...
what the heck are you talking about. try to make an independent post without obscure refferrences to past posts for once

A wave of leaks from government officials has hobbled the Trump administration
Click to expand...
^OP
 
Dick from the Internet said:
??? You would have leaked your information to Rand Paul? You and maybe, Rand Paul would then be in jail. How does that make anything better?
Click to expand...
Rand Paul could have held hearings, etc.
But Snowden was a once in a million type leaks about process- about how the gov't was abusing the 4th.
we are not in such noble territory with these routine leaks over policy disagreements.

How is leaking info about Australian PM phone calls,and the president of Mexico defending the Constitution?
That's what's going on- not some massive NSA over-reach
 
Last edited:
anatta said:
A wave of leaks from government officials has hobbled the Trump administration, leading some to draw comparisons to countries like Egypt, Turkey and Pakistan, where shadowy networks within government bureaucracies, often referred to as “deep states,” undermine and coerce elected governments.

So is the United States seeing the rise of its own deep state?


Though leaks can be a normal and healthy check on a president’s power, what’s happening now extends much further. The United States, those experts warn, risks developing an entrenched culture of conflict between the president and his own bureaucracy.

Issandr El Amrani, an analyst who has written on Egypt’s deep state, said he was concerned by the parallels, though the United States has not reached authoritarian extremes.

The growing discord between a president and his bureaucratic rank-and-file, he warned, “is dangerous, it encourages deep divisions within society, it creates these constant tensions.”





“As an American citizen I find it really quite disheartening to see all these similarities to Egypt,” Mr. El Amrani said.

What Makes a Deep State?

Though the deep state is sometimes discussed as a shadowy conspiracy, it helps to think of it instead as a political conflict between a nation’s leader and its governing institutions.

That can be deeply destabilizing, leading both sides to wield state powers like the security services or courts against one another, corrupting those institutions in the process.

In Egypt, for instance, the military and security services actively undermined Mohamed Morsi, the country’s democratically elected Islamist president, contributing to the upheaval that culminated in his ouster in a 2013 coup.

Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has battled the deep state by consolidating power for himself and, after a failed coup attempt last year, conducting vast purges.

Though American democracy is resilient enough to resist such clashes, early hints of a conflict can be tricky to spot because some push and pull between a president and his or her agencies is normal.

In 2009, for instance, military officials used leaks to pressure the White House over what it saw as the minimal number of troops necessary to send to Afghanistan.

Leaks can also be an emergency brake on policies that officials believe could be ill-advised or unlawful, such as George W. Bush-era programs on warrantless wiretapping and the Abu Ghraib detention facility in Iraq.


“You want these people to be fighting like cats and dogs over what the best policy is, airing their views, making their case and then, when it’s over, accepting the decision and implementing it,” said Elizabeth N. Saunders, a George Washington University political scientist. “That’s the way it’s supposed to work.”

“Leaking is not new,” she said, “but this level of leaking is pretty unprecedented.”

Institutional conflicts under Mr. Trump, she worried, had grown into something larger and more concerning.

Mr. Trump, apparently seeking to cut the intelligence community, State Department, and other agencies out of the policy-making process almost entirely, may have triggered a conflict whose escalation we are seeing in the rising number of leaks.

Culture of Conflict

Officials, deprived of the usual levers for shaping policies that are supposed to be their purview, are left with little other than leaking. And the frenetic pace of Mr. Trump’s executive orders, which the agencies would normally review internally over weeks or months, has them pulling that lever repeatedly.

They have leaked draft executive orders, inciting backlashes that led the orders to be shelved. And they have revealed administration efforts to circumvent usual policymaking channels, undermining Mr. Trump’s ability to enact his agenda.

Mr. Trump’s moves to consolidate power away from those agencies under his own authority also has them struggling to keep what they see as their crucial role in governance.

That has forced officials in agencies to ask how far they will go themselves. As each side begins to perceive itself as under attack and the other as making dangerous power-grabs, it will justify more and more extreme behavior.

In President Trump, you have a president whose behavior shocks even more than the content of his policies,” Mr. El Amrani said.





“This was very much the case with Morsi,” he said, which led the civil service to “leak aggressively” to oppose Morsi’s disregard for bureaucratic norms and procedures. “You’re seeing the same thing now.”

Tit for Tat

Mr. Trump’s tendency to treat each leak as an attack rather than an attempt to influence policy has created an atmosphere in Washington of open institutional conflict.

Some leaks appear motivated by more than mere policy disagreements, such as the revelations concerning conversations between Michael T. Flynn, the national security adviser, and Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak, which led on Monday to Mr. Flynn’s resignation.

This came after months of worsening relations between Mr. Flynn and the intelligence agencies, which he frequently criticized as beind too focused on Cold War and NATO expansion against Russia.
Click to expand...

This practice will end very shortly.....the state department senior management positions are being replaced with Trump appointees. The same will happen with the intelligence network.....the rats from the transition BHO appointments will soon be history, and just as suddenly as the leaks started...they will cease. That will prove one thing, just who was responsible for the leaks. :good4u:

Slowly but surely the transition is taking place. Today...another good man to reform the EPA will take holds of the reigns and heads will roll. The Senate will soon confirm Scott Puritt
 
Last edited:
anatta said:
what the heck are you talking about. try to make an independent post without obscure refferrences to past posts for once

^OP
Click to expand...

I am talking about what YOU said. I am sorry that you have no memory. Maybe you could use some of those tricks from Memento or just scroll up. Either way your disabilities are not my problem to solve, whiner.

You and the PiMPle juxtaposed the privacy concerns of private citizens against those of government agents and argued that the privacy of the government agents is more important.


In Hillary's case wikileaks revealed something about Hillary's private actions......in this case government agents are revealing something about government agents....
Click to expand...


anatta said:
exactly.Wikileaks wasn't classified docs.It was Podesta and the DNC..

This is the IC leadership steering policy by leakage
Click to expand...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top