Fears of a ‘Deep State’ in America

So long as we have a President and other officials that go on TV and tell us things that are easily proven false and obviously false, then we will need leaks. His word is worthless.
 
anatta said:
and they are out to preserve the status quo because they've all been brought up into a Russiaphobia culture..lol..But yes you said it well..

The question is whether the agencies could ever devolve ( my word) into a shadow government like Eqypt and Turkey as cited in the article..Erdogan is running a deep purge -not just the bureaucrats but the "shadow government -since the failed military coupe' there.


everybody would say "no" -but then would any of us have thought the Deep State would get to this point?
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How could you not know already?
One would have to be an idiot.....
 
anatta said:
exactly.Wikileaks wasn't classified docs.It was Podesta and the DNC..

This is the IC leadership steering policy by leakage
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This is the IC doing exactly what it is supposed to do...saving the Union from threats....foreign....and domestic.

If you weren't a Trump cocksucking fool you would be grateful.
 
anatta said:
exactly.Wikileaks wasn't classified docs.It was Podesta and the DNC..

This is the IC leadership steering policy by leakage
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So you two think that it's more important that governments be able to act in secret (while lying to the people) than for private citizens to enjoy their privacy?
 
Dick from the Internet said:
So you two think that it's more important that governments be able to act in secret (while lying to the people) than for private citizens to enjoy their privacy?
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I think its more important for government agents to give information to the government than for them to give it to media intent on obstructing the government.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I think its more important for government agents to give information to the government than for them to give it to media intent on obstructing the government.......
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So you think the problem is that these agents are not sharing their information with the administration? Where did you get that stupid idea? There is no indication of that. Instead it's clear that they tell Trump their concerns then he goes out an tells lies to the people. Then they leak. Your boy does not have enough fingers to plug the holes that such an attempt to withhold the truth will reveal. If he would stop lying to the people....

This bothers you because you want secrecy for the government and none for the people. It has nothing to do with this ridiculous and meritless argument you have offered.
 
Rune said:
Correct.
Snowden is a hero.

There is a reason whistle blowers where once offered special protection
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He was a hero for leaking the NSA information. I do not think his other actions are heroic, he was reckless in the other info he leaked.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
So long as we have a President and other officials that go on TV and tell us things that are easily proven false and obviously false, then we will need leaks. His word is worthless.
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stupid.
you are bypassing Congressional inquiries, and the fact it's illegal to leak-there are reasons and processes to
find out grotesque lying.
 
Rune said:
This is the IC doing exactly what it is supposed to do...saving the Union from threats....foreign....and domestic.

If you weren't a Trump cocksucking fool you would be grateful.
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You throw up some language from a POTUS oathe of Office -and then tell me it's the IC's job?
The IC could actually go to Congress if it was so doomesday scenario.

You are advocating bureaucratic rule..fool
 
Dick from the Internet said:
So you two think that it's more important that governments be able to act in secret (while lying to the people) than for private citizens to enjoy their privacy?
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t's not about "private citizens" -it's about government employees following classification laws.
I realize that might be a foreign concept for Hillary supporters to grasp, but get a clue about the Espionage Act.
 
anatta said:
You throw up some language from a POTUS oathe of Office -and then tell me it's the IC's job?
The IC could actually go to Congress if it was so doomesday scenario.

You are advocating bureaucratic rule..fool
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What the fuck do you think the IC's job is?
 
Dick from the Internet said:
Yes, but Snowden's leak is just as good. Our government officials were lying to us and he exposed the truth.
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Snowden was a 1 in a billion "good leak" because it went to process of protecting the Constitution from abuse to the 4th.
In that case I would have gone to Congress -
Rand Paul would have gladly taken it up, and the same thing would have been accomplished
 
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