Are the U.S. Founding principles obsolete? www.LP.org

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Are the U.S. Founding principles obsolete? www.LP.org

"The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." Thomas Jefferson

The United States of America severed ties w/ KG3, established sovereign independence to advance political notions which inspired by John Locke, were historically unprecedented.

"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin (1706-90), U.S. statesman, writer. Comment at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, 4 July 1776, in reply to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action


The philosophy hasn't vanished, even if our application has become impure.

"Welfare should be as hard to get as a building permit." Charles Murray

If you check the political philosophy advocated @www.LP.org, the Libertarians advocate conservative political principles.

- government that protects citizens from force and fraud,

- and otherwise leaves us the %$#@ alone.

We genuflect to these noble, stark principles
every Independence day, from the start of the parade, until the fireworks grande finale.

The other 364.25 days per year it's clear we just don't give a damn.

Why?

Why have we so thoroughly abandoned our conservative political, Founding principles?

It's not like the evil-doer Russians stole them.

Just check out the LP.org site. The principles are spelled out there.

So what is it?

Why have we as a nation abandoned the very recipe for success that Made America Great in the first place?

And why would we elect to the presidency a man that dangles the promise of dumping Obamacare,
but then sabotages his own political agenda by promising to replace it with something even "better"?

“It will be repeal & replace. It will be essentially simultaneously. It will be various segments you understand, but will most likely be on the same day or the same week.” President Elect Trump at his only post election victory news conference in New York 17/01/11 / FNS

After challenge to VP Elect Pence from Chris Wallace, Pence added:
“... you're seeing an incredible increase in premiums on Americans. Obamacare has failed. We're going to repeal it. But at the same time we're gunna pass the kind of legislation that will lower the cost of health insurance without growing the size of government. I would anticipate in the first hundred days that uh we'll deliver on that promise to the American People.” VP Elect Pence 17/01/15 on FNS
 
Are the U.S. Founding principles obsolete? www.LP.org

"The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." Thomas Jefferson

The United States of America severed ties w/ KG3, established sovereign independence to advance political notions which inspired by John Locke, were historically unprecedented.

"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin (1706-90), U.S. statesman, writer. Comment at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, 4 July 1776, in reply to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action


The philosophy hasn't vanished, even if our application has become impure.

"Welfare should be as hard to get as a building permit." Charles Murray

If you check the political philosophy advocated @www.LP.org, the Libertarians advocate conservative political principles.

- government that protects citizens from force and fraud,

- and otherwise leaves us the %$#@ alone.

Well, what libertarians stand for is not conservatism, but liberalism. Actual liberalism, and not the leftism that developed much later on in American political life. The liberalism espoused by Jefferson and Madison is what inspires modern day libertarians.
 
"what libertarians stand for is not conservatism, but liberalism. Actual liberalism, and not the leftism that developed much later on in American political life." p #2

a) Thanks for this important insight.

b) Some here may not have historic perspective on it.

"It [liberal] is pretty much now a lost word, in the original sense of being an effort to restrain government; and one has to keep that in mind when using it." William F. Buckley Jr. April 2, 2000 on C-SPAN

Yes.
Ironic that the fundamental meaning of these key words can and have changed over time.

BUT !!

The most fundamental, linguistic meaning of conservatism is to conserve.

That means smaller, less intrusive government.

Here's what 1992 LP presidential candidate Andre Marrou had to say:

"... the United States is increasingly socialistic under the Democrats & Republicans.
The Democrats are essentially left wing socialists. The Republicans are right wing
socialists. How do you define socialism? More money to government, more power to
government, more bureaucrats, and more regulations, and on and on ... .
The federal government spends 25% of the Gross National Product. State, county, and
local government spend another 22%. That's 47% of the Gross National Product of this
country being spent by the government bureaucrats primarily on themselves. That
leaves 53% in your pockets. You're the people who earn it. 47% vs 53%; how can we
get your 53% up to 90%? One and only one way, we must reduce the 47% the
government spends, down to 10%. That is the only way it can be done. Individual
Liberty is diametrically opposed to governmental power."

excerpted from U.S. Presidential candidate Libertarian Andre Marrou's
1992 stump speech.


When anyone tells you they're conservative, ask them what it is they're trying to conserve.
 
"^ you had me till you went off the rails with Obamacare"

Some assert artificial health care is a right. It never was.

Obamacare is premised on that.

Trump says he's going to dump Obamacare, and replace it with something even better.

BOTH parties are loons on this.

Trump has drunk the Kool-aid from BOTH parties.

Artificial health care is not a right! If you want a bandaid, buy one!

"The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." Thomas Jefferson
 
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