thankfully I live in a blue state AND hate california. LETS GO CALEXIT!
Gov Brown demands storm relief money from Trump. I say let California drown
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thankfully I live in a blue state AND hate california. LETS GO CALEXIT!
Unless it's an illegal immigrant coming in then they're considered undocumented by you traitors despite them having committed a crime.
To Rune, that applies until the person is an illegal.
So misdemeanors aren't crimes?
The worst part? The heavy rains are due to return shortly....and there are some 200,000 citizens in danger of being washed away that reside directly below the tallest man made damn in the country located in Oroville California.....the emergency spillway has been put to use for the first time in its history as the main spillway is in danger of collapsing.
This is a bad time for any US citizen to be pinching pennies and ignoring fellow Americans in Danger...even Californians.
Let's all hope that such a tragedy can be avoided, its time to place politics aside even for a short while.....as they attempt to evacuate everyone to safety.
This is a bad time for any US citizen to be pinching pennies and ignoring fellow Americans in Danger...even Californians.
Let's all hope that such a tragedy can be avoided, its time to place politics aside even for a short while.....as they attempt to evacuate everyone to safety.
cawacko
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You've got any data backing that claim up? Or that the amount we don't receive back is even anywhere close to the amount of unfunded pension liabilities we owe
zappasguitar
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According to the IRS, California sent DC $405 BILLION DOLLARS in 2015.
Jesus didn't use the government to mandate it. If you understood his teachings, you'd realize such things.
California or the people of California that the government took from them? There is a difference.
There is also something called proof that supports a claim. It's not data without proof. It's called you running your dick sucker.
Here is an interesting article. I am posting part, and the rest is in the link.
"Political Road Map: There’s a $368-billion reason why California depends on the federal government
February 5, 2017
During the depths of California’s budget crisis, talk in Sacramento about how many tax dollars were sent to Washington, compared with what the state received in services, generally sparked anger. But these days, it’s triggered fear. After all, President Trump has promised to rethink the kinds of federal policies whose fiscal importance to the state is writ large. Then there’s the worry that Trump won’t soon forget the thumping he took here on election day, the worst defeat for a GOP presidential candidate in California since 1936. With those postelection jitters in mind, the state’s independent Legislative Analyst’s Office has pored over the data to calculate a number that is the monetary essence of California’s relationship with the United States. And what a number it is: The federal government spends some $367.8 billion a year on California. That’s an average of about $9,500 for every woman, man and child in the state. In truth, the money isn’t spread out evenly. About 56 cents of every federal dollar spent in California, according to the analysis, goes to health or retirement benefits — Social Security, Medicare and money for low-income residents’ health care through the Medi-Cal program. Defense contracts are the next biggest slice of the pie, followed by paychecks to military and civilian government employees. From there, federal spending gets sprinkled among a number of programs run by the state government." http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-california-federal-government-money-20170205-story.html
cawacko
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Do you have a link for that because I'm not seeing that anywhere. I saw a Wikipedia link that says California collected $400 billion in taxes but nothing showing what the net amount they send to D.C. is.
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
Illegal is illegal.
You are trying to split hairs
Are you saying we should overlook ALL misdemeanors now? Or just certain ones you think benefit your political party?
I will give you some time to ask your cunt how to respond.
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
Then you don't need the Feds help. You got this homey
Christian charity is administered by Christians to the homeless, destitute, infirmed, incarcerated, hungry, elderly, widows and orphans. This requires no government involvement.
"Every person should obey the government in power. No government would exist if it hadn’t been established by God. The governments which exist have been put in place by God. Therefore, whoever resists the government opposes what God has established. Those who resist will bring punishment on themselves.
People who do what is right don’t have to be afraid of the government. But people who do what is wrong should be afraid of it. Would you like to live without being afraid of the government? Do what is right, and it will praise you. The government is God’s servant working for your good.
But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid. The government has the right to carry out the death sentence. It is God’s servant, an avenger to execute God’s anger on anyone who does what is wrong. Therefore, it is necessary for you to obey, not only because you’re afraid of God’s anger but also because of your own conscience."
Romans 13: 1-5
Men are to work and provide for their own families.
"If anyone does not provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel."
1Timothy 5:8
Text Drivers are Killers
Joe Biden - "Time to put Trump in the bullseye."
You are an ignoramus. People go to prison all the time for misdemeanors. Wesley Snipes got 3 years in the can for a misdemeanor tax crime. Misdemeanors are crimes.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
sorry dude.....not your federal government.....
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MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
OOPS
Officials were warned the Oroville Dam emergency spillway wasn’t safe. They didn’t listen.
In 2005,*three environmental groups warned state*and federal officials about what they believed was a problem with Oroville Dam’s emergency spillway, which was at risk of collapsing over the weekend as recent storms caused the adjacent massive reservoir to swell.
Their concern, which seemed to have fallen on deaf ears:*The emergency spillway, which is meant to be used in urgent situations*— is not really a spillway. Rather, it’s a 1,700-foot long concrete weir that empties onto a dirt hillside. That means, in the event of severe flooding, water would erode that hillside and flood nearby communities, the groups said then.
That nearly happened on Sunday, when a*hole on the emergency spillway threatened to flood the surrounding area and prompted officials to evacuate thousands of residents who remain displaced as of Monday afternoon.
When the Oroville Dam was going through a re-licensing process,*the three groups filed a motion in October 2005, urging a federal regulatory agency*to require state officials to armor the emergency spillway with concrete so that in case of extreme rain and flooding, water won’t freely cascade down*and erode the hillside. The upgrade would have cost million of dollars, and no one wanted to foot the bill, said Ronald Stork, senior policy advocate for Friends of the River, one of the groups that filed the motion.
“When the dam is overfull, water goes over that weir and down the hillside, taking much of the hillside with it,” Stork told The Washington Post. “That causes huge amounts of havoc. There’s roads, there’s transmission lines, power lines that are potentially in the way of that water going down that auxiliary spillway.”
Federal officials, however, determined that nothing was wrong and the emergency spillway, which can handle 350,000 cubic feet of water per second, “would perform as designed,”, according to a July 2006 memo from John Onderdonk, then a senior civil engineer for the federal agency.
“The emergency spillway meets FERC’s engineering guidelines for an emergency spillway,” Onderdonk wrote. “The guidelines specify that during rare flood event, it is acceptable for the emergency spillway to sustain significant damage.”
Fast forward 11 years later, the*erosion of the emergency spillway became so severe this weekend with only up to 12,000 cubic feet of water per second. That’s a little more than 3 percent of what officials*said the spillway can handle.
Lake Oroville’s level rose significantly after potentially record-setting rain surged through California following a long drought. The Oroville Dam, the tallest in the country at 770 feet, remains stable, officials said. But the structure of the spillways, which are designed to release water from the reservoir in a controlled fashion, have crumbled.
Earlier this month, a portion of the main spillway —*a 3,000-foot-long structure lined in concrete — eroded because of the high volume of water spilling from the reservoir, creating a craterlike hole. Officials with the California Department of Water Resources, which owns and operates the dam and reservoir, then decided to use the adjacent emergency spillway for the first time since the dam was built nearly 50 years ago.
Sheets of water began spilling over the emergency spillway and onto the hillside, carrying mud and debris into the nearby Feather River.
The emergency spillway appeared to be working as expected — until Sunday, when officials spotted a hole. That raised fears of a*catastrophic flood that could wipe away*Oroville, a town of 16,000 people, and prompted officials to evacuate nearly 200,000 area residents.
“Auxiliary spillway at Oroville Dam predicted to fail within the next hour. Oroville residents evacuate northward,” the state water agency tweeted shortly before 5 p.m. Sunday.
Stork believes none of that would have happened had officials listened to his and others’ concerns and built a proper emergency spillway 12 years ago. The two other groups that filed the 2005 motion are the Sierra Club and the South Yuba River Citizens League.
“They told us not to worry. All was good. Everything was fine. It’s all safe,” Stork*said. “First of all, they’re not supposed to fail. That’s not what we do in a first-world country. We don’t do that. We certainly don’t do that with the nation’s tallest dam. An auxiliary spillway isn’t supposed to cause lots of havoc when it’s being used.”
Construction would’ve cost at least $100*million, Stork said, and the state contractors in Southern California that buy water from Northern California would’ve had to pay for it.
The Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, which provides water to 19 million people in Los Angeles, San Diego and other areas, and the State Water Contractors, would’ve had to shoulder the cost and deemed the upgrades unnecessary, according to the Oroville Mercury Register.
“The people who are bearing the personal risk of being killed and having their homes washed away are the people of Northern California,” Stork said.
Pressed during a news conference Monday afternoon about the 2005 motion, Bill Croyle, acting director of the Department of Water Resources, said he’s not familiar with the conversations that happened then.
“It’s the first time it’s ever taken water,” Croyle said of the emergency spillway. “We don’t know exactly why this erosion occurred.”
Lester Snow, the agency’s director from 2004 to 2010, told the Oroville Mercury Register*that he does not recall specific information about the debate over the emergency spillway 12 years ago.
“The dam and the outlet structures have always done well in tests and inspections,” Snow told the paper. “I don’t recall the FERC process.”
The crisis seemed to have been averted by Monday. Lake Oroville had dropped to 898 feet by 4 a.m., according to the Sacramento Bee. Water flows into the emergency spillway at 901 feet.
Officials doubled the flow of water out of the main spillway to 100,000 cubic feet per second, with the hope of lowering the lake level by 50 feet to leave room for upcoming rain.
Rain is expected through the region on Wednesday and Thursday, with showers lingering on Friday and Saturday, according to the National Weather Service. Water levels also are expected to rise later this week and into early next week.
Officials said Monday that they’re continuing to monitor the spillways for further erosion.
It remains unclear Monday when residents will be allowed back to their homes. Inmates at the Butte County Jail also have been moved to Alameda County about 170 miles away.
Officials were warned the Oroville Dam emergency spillway wasn’t safe. They didn’t listen.
In 2005,*three environmental groups warned state*and federal officials about what they believed was a problem with Oroville Dam’s emergency spillway, which was at risk of collapsing over the weekend as recent storms caused the adjacent massive reservoir to swell.
Their concern, which seemed to have fallen on deaf ears:*The emergency spillway, which is meant to be used in urgent situations*— is not really a spillway. Rather, it’s a 1,700-foot long concrete weir that empties onto a dirt hillside. That means, in the event of severe flooding, water would erode that hillside and flood nearby communities, the groups said then.
That nearly happened on Sunday, when a*hole on the emergency spillway threatened to flood the surrounding area and prompted officials to evacuate thousands of residents who remain displaced as of Monday afternoon.
When the Oroville Dam was going through a re-licensing process,*the three groups filed a motion in October 2005, urging a federal regulatory agency*to require state officials to armor the emergency spillway with concrete so that in case of extreme rain and flooding, water won’t freely cascade down*and erode the hillside. The upgrade would have cost million of dollars, and no one wanted to foot the bill, said Ronald Stork, senior policy advocate for Friends of the River, one of the groups that filed the motion.
“When the dam is overfull, water goes over that weir and down the hillside, taking much of the hillside with it,” Stork told The Washington Post. “That causes huge amounts of havoc. There’s roads, there’s transmission lines, power lines that are potentially in the way of that water going down that auxiliary spillway.”
Federal officials, however, determined that nothing was wrong and the emergency spillway, which can handle 350,000 cubic feet of water per second, “would perform as designed,”, according to a July 2006 memo from John Onderdonk, then a senior civil engineer for the federal agency.
“The emergency spillway meets FERC’s engineering guidelines for an emergency spillway,” Onderdonk wrote. “The guidelines specify that during rare flood event, it is acceptable for the emergency spillway to sustain significant damage.”
Fast forward 11 years later, the*erosion of the emergency spillway became so severe this weekend with only up to 12,000 cubic feet of water per second. That’s a little more than 3 percent of what officials*said the spillway can handle.
Lake Oroville’s level rose significantly after potentially record-setting rain surged through California following a long drought. The Oroville Dam, the tallest in the country at 770 feet, remains stable, officials said. But the structure of the spillways, which are designed to release water from the reservoir in a controlled fashion, have crumbled.
Earlier this month, a portion of the main spillway —*a 3,000-foot-long structure lined in concrete — eroded because of the high volume of water spilling from the reservoir, creating a craterlike hole. Officials with the California Department of Water Resources, which owns and operates the dam and reservoir, then decided to use the adjacent emergency spillway for the first time since the dam was built nearly 50 years ago.
Sheets of water began spilling over the emergency spillway and onto the hillside, carrying mud and debris into the nearby Feather River.
The emergency spillway appeared to be working as expected — until Sunday, when officials spotted a hole. That raised fears of a*catastrophic flood that could wipe away*Oroville, a town of 16,000 people, and prompted officials to evacuate nearly 200,000 area residents.
“Auxiliary spillway at Oroville Dam predicted to fail within the next hour. Oroville residents evacuate northward,” the state water agency tweeted shortly before 5 p.m. Sunday.
Stork believes none of that would have happened had officials listened to his and others’ concerns and built a proper emergency spillway 12 years ago. The two other groups that filed the 2005 motion are the Sierra Club and the South Yuba River Citizens League.
“They told us not to worry. All was good. Everything was fine. It’s all safe,” Stork*said. “First of all, they’re not supposed to fail. That’s not what we do in a first-world country. We don’t do that. We certainly don’t do that with the nation’s tallest dam. An auxiliary spillway isn’t supposed to cause lots of havoc when it’s being used.”
Construction would’ve cost at least $100*million, Stork said, and the state contractors in Southern California that buy water from Northern California would’ve had to pay for it.
The Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, which provides water to 19 million people in Los Angeles, San Diego and other areas, and the State Water Contractors, would’ve had to shoulder the cost and deemed the upgrades unnecessary, according to the Oroville Mercury Register.
“The people who are bearing the personal risk of being killed and having their homes washed away are the people of Northern California,” Stork said.
Pressed during a news conference Monday afternoon about the 2005 motion, Bill Croyle, acting director of the Department of Water Resources, said he’s not familiar with the conversations that happened then.
“It’s the first time it’s ever taken water,” Croyle said of the emergency spillway. “We don’t know exactly why this erosion occurred.”
Lester Snow, the agency’s director from 2004 to 2010, told the Oroville Mercury Register*that he does not recall specific information about the debate over the emergency spillway 12 years ago.
“The dam and the outlet structures have always done well in tests and inspections,” Snow told the paper. “I don’t recall the FERC process.”
The crisis seemed to have been averted by Monday. Lake Oroville had dropped to 898 feet by 4 a.m., according to the Sacramento Bee. Water flows into the emergency spillway at 901 feet.
Officials doubled the flow of water out of the main spillway to 100,000 cubic feet per second, with the hope of lowering the lake level by 50 feet to leave room for upcoming rain.
Rain is expected through the region on Wednesday and Thursday, with showers lingering on Friday and Saturday, according to the National Weather Service. Water levels also are expected to rise later this week and into early next week.
Officials said Monday that they’re continuing to monitor the spillways for further erosion.
It remains unclear Monday when residents will be allowed back to their homes. Inmates at the Butte County Jail also have been moved to Alameda County about 170 miles away.
zappasguitar
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That's not what I claimed...maybe you can go back, re read the thread and get it right before I answer.