I can't believe we don't already do this

CFM said:
So, again, how many of those called refugees are you willing to personally take in?
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Oh, you were serious?

I just laughed. Honestly, that's probably one of the most ludicrous points anyone has ever tried to make on the board. Actually, probably on the whole internet, on not just political boards, but sports, fitness & cooking boards, as well.
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, you were serious?

I just laughed. Honestly, that's probably one of the most ludicrous points anyone has ever tried to make on the board. Actually, probably on the whole internet, on not just political boards, but sports, fitness & cooking boards, as well.
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In other words, none?

That's what I thought. Typical lefty claiming something should be done then refusing to do personally what he wants the rest of us to accept being forced upon us.

You're seriously a worthless piece of shit. Pucker up. At least you're good at being a Democrat house nigger. That has no value but at least you're good at it.
 
Thing1 said:
It feeds the narrative. Imo, we always play right into their hands.

They want to portray us as oppressors. And the people who travel here from those countries are our goodwill ambassadors when they return, and tell their neighbors that America isn't the great satan it's portrayed as.

And we need these communities for our intel. That's where this is being fought - there & on the internet.

I don't think there is any way to prove either perspective definitively - but we do know that this ban wouldn't have prevented anything that's happened up until now. I think there is a better chance than 0% that actions like this, and the rest of Trump's rhetoric, help the extremists.
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it's a blip on the radar. However Iran is using the push back against Trump by the courts to go after Trump as an "extremist"..i'll start a thread in Current events.

Whatever small propaganda value- the real threat of unsearchable travelers is a concrete threat
 
anatta said:
it's a blip on the radar. However Iran is using the push back against Trump by the courts to go after Trump as an "extremist"..i'll start a thread in Current events.

Whatever small propaganda value- the real threat of unsearchable travelers is a concrete threat
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How can you call it concrete when there isn't one example of anything happening as a result of not having a ban?
 
CFM said:
In other words, none?

That's what I thought. Typical lefty claiming something should be done then refusing to do personally what he wants the rest of us to accept being forced upon us.

You're seriously a worthless piece of shit. Pucker up. At least you're good at being a Democrat house nigger. That has no value but at least you're good at it.
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Who has suggested forcing you to house refugees?
 
cawacko said:
I have zero desire for our country to be attacked. You don't hear me suggesting we just open up the borders and let hundreds of thousands of refugees in. Cutting off traveling for three months from these seven countries does nothing for me to increase our safety. Getting social media passwords from people from these seven countries does nothing for me. What I do see is we are affecting our economic standing throughout the world and that concerns me personally and my daughters future.
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There is nothing wrong with protecting you and yours. What I am however saying is this. The temporary ban is not designed to make you safe on its own. Don't be obtuse. It's to afford a very little time to find solutions to improve and correct our vetting problems in an immediate way. It's not because we haven't seen terrorism before. We have.

Based on what we are seeing throughout the world, the known intent is radical Islam and radical Muslims want first Americans, then infidels wiped out. Not enslaved to work for them, but dead.

There's good enough information out there by way of example that terrorism has crossed our borders. Look at Germany, Sweden, the UK. How good has that been going for them allowing them unfettered and unvetted refugees across their borders. What do you think is happening to their Economy? What's important? The future or the here and now. Their safety.

If you cannot afford 90 days to try and find solutions to tighten up who is coming to your "sanctuary city", your a braver person than I am. I want to do my level best to encourage safety first.

My children dramatically changed my world view. It's why I am unrelenting.
 
Midas Whale67 said:
There is nothing wrong with protecting you and yours. What I am however saying is this. The temporary ban is not designed to make you safe on its own. Don't be obtuse. It's to afford a very little time to find solutions to improve and correct our vetting problems in an immediate way. It's not because we haven't seen terrorism before. We have.

Based on what we are seeing throughout the world, the known intent is radical Islam and radical Muslims want first Americans, then infidels wiped out. Not enslaved to work for them, but dead.

There's good enough information out there by way of example that terrorism has crossed our borders. Look at Germany, Sweden, the UK. How good has that been going for them allowing them unfettered and unvetted refugees across their borders. What do you think is happening to their Economy? What's important? The future or the here and now. Their safety.

If you cannot afford 90 days to try and find solutions to tighten up who is coming to your "sanctuary city", your a braver person than I am. I want to do my level best to encourage safety first.

My children dramatically changed my world view. It's why I am unrelenting.
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Do you know what is wrong or lacking w/ our current vetting process?
 
Everyday thousands of Syrian refugees line up here in Amman, Jordan, to register with the U.N.

Every single refugee is interviewed in detail multiple times by the U.N. for their vital statistics: where they came from, who they know.

Their irises are scanned to establish their identity.

And then they wait for the chance the U.N. might refer them to the United States. Less than one percent have had that chance.

For that one percent the next step has been this State Department resettlement center in Amman for a background check led by specially trained Department of Homeland Security interrogators.

Like all Syrian refugees being vetted this family was questioned at least three times by interviewers looking for gaps or inconsistencies in their stories.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-syrian-refugee-crisis/

this is Syria only, and it sounds thorough,but see where the UN is doing the core vetting
Also the sheer number of refugees makes it impossible to really vet with no reliable documentation..
The iris scan is what they tell the UN.

I recall many single men going into Europe-the claim by Obama was we are getting families.
That I do not know.

This is also Jordanian protocol - is it the same elsewhere?

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Zaatari refugee camp in Jordan
 
As of late 2016, the U.S. was processing an additional 21,000 Syrian refugee applications for relocation to the United States.
 
Thing1 said:
That didn't really address my post, at all.

But you guys value fear over liberty anyway, and have for awhile now. You're far too willing to sacrifice hard-fought freedoms.
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Dude, a Syrian refugee has no 'freedoms' that we can sacrifice. In fact, they are actually 'free' to move to Europe or wherever.

You're a typical liberal in many ways. You advocate these feel-good policies right until the moment they affect you personally. Then you would build a wall to keep the riff-raff out, assuming you were as rich as Bill Gates.
 
Darth Omar said:
Dude, a Syrian refugee has no 'freedoms' that we can sacrifice. In fact, they are actually 'free' to move to Europe or wherever.

You're a typical liberal in many ways. You advocate these feel-good policies right until the moment they affect you personally. Then you would build a wall to keep the riff-raff out, assuming you were as rich as Bill Gates.
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The bolded is ridiculous. You call me typical, and then to support that give an example that you have NO IDEA that I'd do.

As far as advocating policies until they affect you personally, I definitely feel that about some righties. There are pro-lifers who have paid for/gotten abortions, and anti-immigration people who hire illegals, and anti-Obamacare folks who benefited from Obamacare.

It's not about "feel good policies." It's about basic principles that define America.

My opposition to the ban actually has more to do w/ the fact that I think it will achieve the opposite of its intended goal.
 
anatta said:
it's a blip on the radar. However Iran is using the push back against Trump by the courts to go after Trump as an "extremist"..i'll start a thread in Current events.

Whatever small propaganda value- the real threat of unsearchable travelers is a concrete threat
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Trying to prevent ISIS propaganda is hopeless: they can conjure hatred for the infidels out of a grilled cheese sandwich.

You can tell the Islamophiles the core principles to jihad are 100% religious but it's an absolute waste of time.
 
Thing1 said:
The bolded is ridiculous. You call me typical, and then to support that give an example that you have NO IDEA that I'd do.

As far as advocating policies until they affect you personally, I definitely feel that about some righties. There are pro-lifers who have paid for/gotten abortions, and anti-immigration people who hire illegals, and anti-Obamacare folks who benefited from Obamacare.

It's not about "feel good policies." It's about basic principles that define America.

My opposition to the ban actually has more to do w/ the fact that I think it will achieve the opposite of its intended goal.
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I think protecting tax payers from terrorists is a fundamental principle that defines America.
 
Darth Omar said:
Trying to prevent ISIS propaganda is hopeless: they can conjure hatred for the infidels out of a grilled cheese sandwich.

You can tell the Islamophiles the core principles to jihad are 100% religious but it's an absolute waste of time.
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Jeez, Darth - clue up. It's not about preventing ISIS propaganda. It's about making it meaningless.

Aren't you the guy who didn't know we had a coalition for Libya?
 
Thing1 said:
Have you also considered the possibility that actions like the ban are exactly what ISIS wants us to do, to further create alienation & feed their entire narrative about the U.S. and the west in general?
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/shrugs.....then let's create some alienation and feed their narrative and see if that works better than helping the kill Americans on American soi;.....
 
Darth Omar said:
Trying to prevent ISIS propaganda is hopeless: they can conjure hatred for the infidels out of a grilled cheese sandwich.
You can tell the Islamophiles the core principles to jihad are 100% religious but it's an absolute waste of time.
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what we do or don't do, or what we say or don't say really has no bearing on ISIS or AQ recruitment .
It's baked into so called "radical Islam"
 
Thing1 said:
What do you mean "how would anyone know?"

It's easy to figure out, bravs. And we have. None of those attacks would have been prevented if this ban had been in place this entire time.
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and how have you figured that out, Thingie?......by stating it and having four liberals repeat it while holding hands and humming "uuuuuuummmmm".....
 
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