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Milagro said:
NOAA has finally been rumbled, heads should roll for this.

They played fast and loose with the figures -NOAA whistleblower

The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.

The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.

But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data.

It was never subjected to NOAA’s rigorous internal evaluation process – which Dr Bates devised.

His vehement objections to the publication of the faulty data were overridden by his NOAA superiors in what he describes as a ‘blatant attempt to intensify the impact’ of what became known as the Pausebuster paper.

His disclosures are likely to stiffen President Trump’s determination to enact his pledges to reverse his predecessor’s ‘green’ policies, and to withdraw from the Paris deal – so triggering an intense political row.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02...pausebuster-paper-was-hyped-broke-procedures/

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Seems nobody wants to acknowledge this.

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" Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
NOAA has finally been rumbled, heads should roll for this.
They played fast and loose with the figures -NOAA whistleblower
The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.
A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.
The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.
But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data.
It was never subjected to NOAA’s rigorous internal evaluation process – which Dr Bates devised.
His vehement objections to the publication of the faulty data were overridden by his NOAA superiors in what he describes as a ‘blatant attempt to intensify the impact’ of what became known as the Pausebuster paper.
His disclosures are likely to stiffen President Trump’s determination to enact his pledges to reverse his predecessor’s ‘green’ policies, and to withdraw from the Paris deal – so triggering an intense political row.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/...ke-procedures/
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"Seems nobody wants to acknowledge this." M #43

Is this supposed to be some sort of scoop? The exposure of a global hoax?

I've read from independent sources that the affects of ACC are actually more dire, and faster acting than some predictions.

When Ponds & Fleishman reported they'd achieved cold fusion on a desktop, their unlikely claims were quickly peer reviewed and exposed as fraud.

I'm not dismissing scientific method protocols. They're essential.

But failing one step in an essential protocol doesn't amount to a rounding error when the vast bulk of parallel, independent study of the same issue make scientifically valid assessments that agree.

In science it's known as an anecdote. But I have anecdotal experience that corroborates the sea-level rise warnings. It's not merely the devastation it wrought on New Jersey's coast.

I have friends that live in the Hudson River valley. It's where I spent the first 18 years of my life. I've seen that river in good times and bad, at calm, during hurricane, and everything else.

The high water mark from Hurricane Sandy was at that part of the river about five feet higher than the usual high tide line.

Bear in mind, that part of the river, about 40 miles North of the Atlantic, is about 3.5 miles across. It may not take a lot of water to overflow a local stream win a WVA mountain town.

But it takes an enormous amount of water to flood the Tappan Zee. Something unusual is definitely going on here.

But if we may switch hats from scientist to lawyer / CSI:

Let's say your theory of the crime is it's a vast left-wing conspiracy.

FINE !!

What's the motive?

Good luck convicting a suspect, or rather, a planet full of them, without a motive.
 
Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

The Mail on Sunday can reveal a landmark paper exaggerated global warming
It was rushed through and timed to influence the Paris agreement on climate change
America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration broke its own rules
The report claimed the pause in global warming never existed, but it was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ulated-global-warming-data.html#ixzz4XvMPdmF9
 
NOVA said:
Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

The Mail on Sunday can reveal a landmark paper exaggerated global warming
It was rushed through and timed to influence the Paris agreement on climate change
America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration broke its own rules
The report claimed the pause in global warming never existed, but it was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ulated-global-warming-data.html#ixzz4XvMPdmF9
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Over the last 20 years, the global total spent on the CO2 hoax is 1 trillion dollars. All that money could have gone to real environmental issues. But they are NOT PROFITABLE to "fight for". You can't make a profit stopping shark finning or stopping logging in the Congo. But you can make a lot of taxpayer subsidized dough selling Prius's to the wealthy.

According to Al Gorian mythology, Only the rich can afford to pollute
 
sear said:
" Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
NOAA has finally been rumbled, heads should roll for this.
They played fast and loose with the figures -NOAA whistleblower
The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.
A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.
The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.
But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data.
It was never subjected to NOAA’s rigorous internal evaluation process – which Dr Bates devised.
His vehement objections to the publication of the faulty data were overridden by his NOAA superiors in what he describes as a ‘blatant attempt to intensify the impact’ of what became known as the Pausebuster paper.
His disclosures are likely to stiffen President Trump’s determination to enact his pledges to reverse his predecessor’s ‘green’ policies, and to withdraw from the Paris deal – so triggering an intense political row.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/...ke-procedures/
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"Seems nobody wants to acknowledge this." M #43

Is this supposed to be some sort of scoop? The exposure of a global hoax?

I've read from independent sources that the affects of ACC are actually more dire, and faster acting than some predictions.

When Ponds & Fleishman reported they'd achieved cold fusion on a desktop, their unlikely claims were quickly peer reviewed and exposed as fraud.

I'm not dismissing scientific method protocols. They're essential.

But failing one step in an essential protocol doesn't amount to a rounding error when the vast bulk of parallel, independent study of the same issue make scientifically valid assessments that agree.

In science it's known as an anecdote. But I have anecdotal experience that corroborates the sea-level rise warnings. It's not merely the devastation it wrought on New Jersey's coast.

I have friends that live in the Hudson River valley. It's where I spent the first 18 years of my life. I've seen that river in good times and bad, at calm, during hurricane, and everything else.

The high water mark from Hurricane Sandy was at that part of the river about five feet higher than the usual high tide line.

Bear in mind, that part of the river, about 40 miles North of the Atlantic, is about 3.5 miles across. It may not take a lot of water to overflow a local stream win a WVA mountain town.

But it takes an enormous amount of water to flood the Tappan Zee. Something unusual is definitely going on here.

But if we may switch hats from scientist to lawyer / CSI:

Let's say your theory of the crime is it's a vast left-wing conspiracy.

FINE !!

What's the motive?

Good luck convicting a suspect, or rather, a planet full of them, without a motive.
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What manner specious crap is this?
NOVA said:
Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

The Mail on Sunday can reveal a landmark paper exaggerated global warming
It was rushed through and timed to influence the Paris agreement on climate change
America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration broke its own rules
The report claimed the pause in global warming never existed, but it was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ulated-global-warming-data.html#ixzz4XvMPdmF9
Click to expand...


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NOVA said:
Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

The Mail on Sunday can reveal a landmark paper exaggerated global warming
It was rushed through and timed to influence the Paris agreement on climate change
America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration broke its own rules
The report claimed the pause in global warming never existed, but it was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ulated-global-warming-data.html#ixzz4XvMPdmF9
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https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dail...ulated-global-warming-research/?client=safari
 
"What manner specious crap is this?" M #50

a) None.

b) If you either practice crime scene investigation, and or study it at college level you will find that a "subject" or "person of interest" generally doesn't become a "suspect" without a plausible motive.

For example, if $7,000.oo is stolen from payroll, the motive would seem to be theft for illegal self-benefit. But that motive would seem to rule out Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, & Jeff Bezos.

I'm not going to type out a lesson plan for you to get a Criminal Justice degree. You'll just have to trust me, or not.

But any CSI worth his weight in sawdust knows, finding such elements as:
- motive
- means
- lack of alibi
can be key to narrowing down suspects.

8888888888888888888888888888888888888888 Let's Cut To The Chase 88888888888888888888888888888888888

Is there a planet-wide conspiracy of scientists, advancing a destructive fiction; that Earth's climate is warming due to human industry?

Perhaps.

But if so, WHAT IS THEIR MOTIVE ?!?!?!

If they would ALL do so, they'd need a reason.

And if NO ONE can cite a single rational reason, then why the foolish conspiracy theory?

The data can be checked! It's quantifiable !

If they're lying, WE'D KNOW !!
 
sear said:
"What manner specious crap is this?" M #50

a) None.

b) If you either practice crime scene investigation, and or study it at college level you will find that a "subject" or "person of interest" generally doesn't become a "suspect" without a plausible motive.

For example, if $7,000.oo is stolen from payroll, the motive would seem to be theft for illegal self-benefit. But that motive would seem to rule out Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, & Jeff Bezos.

I'm not going to type out a lesson plan for you to get a Criminal Justice degree. You'll just have to trust me, or not.

But any CSI worth his weight in sawdust knows, finding such elements as:
- motive
- means
- lack of alibi
can be key to narrowing down suspects.

8888888888888888888888888888888888888888 Let's Cut To The Chase 88888888888888888888888888888888888

Is there a planet-wide conspiracy of scientists, advancing a destructive fiction; that Earth's climate is warming due to human industry?

Perhaps.

But if so, WHAT IS THEIR MOTIVE ?!?!?!

If they would ALL do so, they'd need a reason.

And if NO ONE can cite a single rational reason, then why the foolish conspiracy theory?

The data can be checked! It's quantifiable !

If they're lying, WE'D KNOW !!
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I can't be bothered with this crap. I have a degree in chemistry so if you're going to get into willy waving, then beat that sonny!!

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The Greening Of Gore's Bank Account - Forbes
www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/.../the-greening-of-gores-bank-account/
May 21, 2013 - Larry Bell , Contributor. Al Gore giving his global warming talk. ( Photo credit: Wikipedia) With his estimated wealth exceeding $200 million, Albert Arnold Gore has come a long way from the time he began a career in government politics.

The making of a businessman: How Al Gore got rich - CBS News
www.cbsnews.com › MoneyWatch › MoneyWatch Tech
Jan 8, 2013 - The former Vice President's soaring wealth since losing the 2000 presidential election now makes him richer than Mitt Romney.
 
" I have a degree in chemistry" M #54

It helps explain you limited insight into police detective work.
Nothing wrong with that.

But even a chemistry degree doesn't justify an ejaculation like this: "What manner specious crap is this?" M #50

Just because it's outside your field of expertise does not automatically render it either "specious" or "crap". If you have a college degree, why is it necessary to explain that to you?
 
I am tired of dealing with idiots like Rune, and you seemingly. Anyone who has been on this board a while knows that I've spoken about the subject exhaustively.

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#57

Lovely.
You being tired does not render my observations of fact "specious" or "crap".

And if you need help with the arithmetic, your long-in-the-tooth tenure here does not excuse you, and doesn't bear on me. You've got almost 25 times more posts at this site than I do. If you've lost patience with Rune, take it up with him / her.

I'm not Rune. And I've become pretty good over the decades at avoiding posting either "specious" or "crap".

Thanks.
 
Bigdog said:
The Greening Of Gore's Bank Account - Forbes
www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/.../the-greening-of-gores-bank-account/
May 21, 2013 - Larry Bell , Contributor. Al Gore giving his global warming talk. ( Photo credit: Wikipedia) With his estimated wealth exceeding $200 million, Albert Arnold Gore has come a long way from the time he began a career in government politics.

The making of a businessman: How Al Gore got rich - CBS News
www.cbsnews.com › MoneyWatch › MoneyWatch Tech
Jan 8, 2013 - The former Vice President's soaring wealth since losing the 2000 presidential election now makes him richer than Mitt Romney.
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- motive
- means
- lack of alibi
 
sear said:
" I have a degree in chemistry" M #54

It helps explain you limited insight into police detective work.
Nothing wrong with that.

But even a chemistry degree doesn't justify an ejaculation like this: "What manner specious crap is this?" M #50

Just because it's outside your field of expertise does not automatically render it either "specious" or "crap". If you have a college degree, why is it necessary to explain that to you?
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Do some background reading first, I must have posted hundreds of threads on the subject.

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