If the GOP is to thrive, it NEEDS a new, viable, slightly left of center, opposition

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Kurmugeon

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Hillary was far too corrupt... Obama was far to anti-American and Anti-White... Bernie is too socialist, kookie and Far-Left...


So, we ended up with a Trump Victory, as the candidate who was just a bit less corrupt, extremist, and crazy, than the worse alternatives.

So far, Trump appears to be doing an Okay job.



Yet, without a viable opposition political party, to give the American people the chance to pick the better of two positive, good candidates...

Instead of the Less-Corrupt of two BAD Options...

Without an viable opposition to keep the GOP honest and working for the best interests of the American common people, rather than themselves and the wealthy elites...

Without something reasonable to fill the political vacuum left by the Identity Politics collapse of the Democratic Party...

The absolute power given to the GOP will Corrupt the GOP from within in a decade or less!


We, America, NEEDS a slightly left of center, pragmatic, centrist, Race-BLIND, non-Identity Politics, Alternative Political Party to the GOP.


The GOP needs that opposition party, even if many of their members don't yet understand that need!

The GOP, to achieve long term victory, needs their candidates held to a much higher standard than just defeating the corruption we saw in Hillary and Bernie.


The GOP needs their candidates to be just slightly better, more honorable, of higher integrity, with a just tad bit better plan for their administration... than a very good opposition party candidate!


Conservatives always talk about how in business, competition makes the whole market stronger...


Well?


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After all, showing the nation that you're just a wee bit less corrupt than Hillary, really isn't much of an accomplishment!

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We need a politics which is not centered on Identity Groups, and one which does give U.S. the option to pick the better of two GOOD, viable, positive options!


That will drive both side of our two party system to continually drive to create better candidates, rather than expose the worse corruption in the opposition.


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I agree totally.

Ideally, the two parties would be a few degrees on either side of the middle. Of the two parties, the republicans are closer to the middle but the democrats have essentially become an extremist party that's way out of step with ordinary Americans.

The electoral map tells the tale.

Democrats got that way because they got too comfortable with winning: they won the culture wars with the gay marriage victory. But they weren't satisfied with that and started harassing Christians who dared to step out of line [see: Gay Wedding Cake Gate].

They became complacent---even as they were hemorrhaging seats in state legislatures, because the received wisdom was that demographics [essentially: the Obama coalition of cobbled together minorities] would enable them to advance the progressive agenda in the end.

Even as all the election evidence---outside of keeping the WH, said otherwise. As I've said before, I'm surprised more people didn't see this coming. The democrats surely didn't.

So there they are, blaming Comey, Putin, ignorant red state rubes and their nativism and/or whatever else beside themselves for Donald Trump.

It's a little worrisome, actually. It doesn't make for a stable government to have one party so far out of whack and so many millions of its members so utterly clueless as to how they ended up where they are.

Democrats need a civil war in their ranks because that's the only path for them to reformulate or reinvent themselves as a party that's more representative of people outside of Hollywood and urban areas. That's the way you keep Trump in check, not by simply taking your rage and your depravity to the streets.

And it's the only way to win in the long. In fact, if they don't do that democrats are looking at a lost decade square in the face.

The next few years should be interesting.
 
NEEDS a slightly left of center, pragmatic, centrist, Race-BLIND, non-Identity Politics, Alternative Political Party to the GOP.
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Dems say otherwise. They seems to be doubling down on "left of center" accompanied by ID politics
 
anatta said:
Dems say otherwise. They seems to be doubling down on "left of center" accompanied by ID politics
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I don't know that their leadership and so much of their rank and file can get to 'race blind'. They still pick their leaders according to race/gender first---and abilities second.

That they don't perceive that to be both racist and sexist---like so much of the rest of the country does, is a big part of their problem. But they are absolutely committed to their ideology, so there's that.
 
Kurmugeon said:
Hillary was far too corrupt... Obama was far to anti-American and Anti-White... Bernie is too socialist, kookie and Far-Left...


So, we ended up with a Trump Victory, as the candidate who was just a bit less corrupt, extremist, and crazy, than the worse alternatives.

So far, Trump appears to be doing an Okay job.



Yet, without a viable opposition political party, to give the American people the chance to pick the better of two positive, good candidates...

Instead of the Less-Corrupt of two BAD Options...

Without an viable opposition to keep the GOP honest and working for the best interests of the American common people, rather than themselves and the wealthy elites...

Without something reasonable to fill the political vacuum left by the Identity Politics collapse of the Democratic Party...

The absolute power given to the GOP will Corrupt the GOP from within in a decade or less!


We, America, NEEDS a slightly left of center, pragmatic, centrist, Race-BLIND, non-Identity Politics, Alternative Political Party to the GOP.


The GOP needs that opposition party, even if many of their members don't yet understand that need!

The GOP, to achieve long term victory, needs their candidates held to a much higher standard than just defeating the corruption we saw in Hillary and Bernie.


The GOP needs their candidates to be just slightly better, more honorable, of higher integrity, with a just tad bit better plan for their administration... than a very good opposition party candidate!


Conservatives always talk about how in business, competition makes the whole market stronger...


Well?


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I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for a political system based on honor, integrity and positivity because that's never existed ever in the history mankind. The Founders understood this, that's why they devised a system which would keep scoundrels at each other's necks instead of the people's necks although the scoundrels figured out an easy way around that.

You want to see the future of the democrats? Bernie Sanders. It's not going to get better, it's going to get worse.
 
The Left isn't interested in the survival of the Republican Party. There will always be idiots. The GOP will be here for them.

The anomaly of Trump is blinding republicans into believing there current control is eternal. :0) It isn't.
 
Any opposition to the GOP needs to be way far right of nuttier than a squirrel turd, which is where the jackass party sits right now. Until they get over this psychotic episode they're going through, there is really no dealing with them. I long for the Reagan era, not necessarily because he was such a great president(he was), but because they talked and dealt with each other like human beings.
 
Trump is the alternative you're talking about. The Reps hated him and the Left scoffed at him. The middle elected him.
 
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Trump is the alternative you're talking about. The Reps hated him and the Left scoffed at him. The middle elected him.
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Yes, allot like the middle re-elected Teddy Roosevelt, who was not really a Dem or Repub.

There are allot of similarities between Trump and Teddy.

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blackascoal said:
The Left isn't interested in the survival of the Republican Party. There will always be idiots. The GOP will be here for them.

The anomaly of Trump is blinding republicans into believing there current control is eternal. :0) It isn't.
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Nah, nothing on this earth is eternal and that's especially true in politics.

You guys fell for that, right? It's a big part of what happened to your party. You put all your eggs in the race/gender/environmentalist basket at the expense of the working class. Worse than ignoring them, you talked down to them.

The Road Back to Revelance won't be found in raging in the streets, blocking highways or burning flags: that will only further galvanize the Trump coalition. And you have to wonder what the more reasonable voters in your own party think of it.

Your party NEEDS the working class. And yes, most of them are white. You have to get over the race thing. It's not working. You can't alienate 40% of the population and expect to do anything but get your clocks cleaned in the electoral college.
 
Darth Omar said:
Nah, nothing on this earth is eternal and that's especially true in politics.

You guys fell for that, right? It's a big part of what happened to your party. You put all your eggs in the race/gender/environmentalist basket at the expense of the working class. Worse than ignoring them, you talked down to them.

The Road Back to Revelance won't be found in raging in the streets, blocking highways or burning flags: that will only further galvanize the Trump coalition. And you have to wonder what the more reasonable voters in your own party think of it.

Your party NEEDS the working class. And yes, most of them are white. You have to get over the race thing. It's not working. You can't alienate 40% of the population and expect to do anything but get your clocks cleaned in the electoral college.
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Very well put.

But one of the major point I was making in the OP, it will be very much in the interests of the GOP, for there to exist a GOOD, Viable, Reasonable Opposition Party.

The GOP should not try to stop the formation of a new Working People's Party, they should embrace it!

Among other reasons, right now, the MSM and the Far-Lefties are trying, with some success, to tell the Common American People, that the Political "Middle" of America is halfway between Bernie Sanders Socialism, and John McCain's RINOism.

Wrong!

The true Political Center is far, far to the Right of what is being claimed.

A viable, Pragmatic, Working People's Party, would do allot to cement the definition of the "Center" back in an area of politics that MOST of America sees as the Center.

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Kurmugeon said:
Very well put.

But one of the major point I was making in the OP, it will be very much in the interests of the GOP, for there to exist a GOOD, Viable, Reasonable Opposition Party.

The GOP should not try to stop the formation of a new Working People's Party, they should embrace it!

Among other reasons, right now, the MSM and the Far-Lefties are trying, with some success, to tell the Common American People, that the Political "Middle" of America is halfway between Bernie Sanders Socialism, and John McCain's RINOism.

Wrong!

The true Political Center is far, far to the Right of what is being claimed.

A viable, Pragmatic, Working People's Party, would do allot to cement the definition of the "Center" back in an area of politics that MOST of America sees as the Center.

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Good bad or indifferent, the Republican Party is being reformulated right before our eyes. I agree that in the long term the GOP would benefit from a healthy democrat party but that's long term. Right now, for better or worse our eggs are in Donald Trump's basket.

Good point about the opposition: it includes most of the media, Hollywood, democrats obviously and what's left of the GOPe.

Which is just about everyone but Trump and his supporters lol. And the opposition is absolutely doing everything in their power to isolate Trump from his supporters.
 
Darth Omar said:
Nah, nothing on this earth is eternal and that's especially true in politics.

You guys fell for that, right? It's a big part of what happened to your party. You put all your eggs in the race/gender/environmentalist basket at the expense of the working class. Worse than ignoring them, you talked down to them.

The Road Back to Revelance won't be found in raging in the streets, blocking highways or burning flags: that will only further galvanize the Trump coalition. And you have to wonder what the more reasonable voters in your own party think of it.

Your party NEEDS the working class. And yes, most of them are white. You have to get over the race thing. It's not working. You can't alienate 40% of the population and expect to do anything but get your clocks cleaned in the electoral college.
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:0) Thanks for your perspective .. as completely flawed as it is.

Don't look now, but 'the road back' is already well under way.

In just 8 days, Trump has already reached MAJORITY disapproval .. the fastest on record .. and he has the lowest job approval of any in-coming president in American history.

Trump is the most hated man in the world with unprecedented rejection on the world stage. Unprecedented rejection from the American people.

YOU need to be wondering what the more reasonable people in your own party are thinking. :0) How long do you think it will be before republicans .. who never liked Trump in the first place .. abandon him?

The so-called 'white working class' elected this moron .. and his failures are their failures. His ignorance is their ignorance .. and guess what?

The Trump Faithful Are Already Expressing Buyer's Remorse
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/12/trump-voters-expressing-buyers-remorse

I do recognize that you Trump supporters / wrestling fans spend a lot of time in an alternative reality .. but the real world is about to slap you real hard as Trump's failures mount and the Republican Party abandons him.

Thanks again. :0)
 
blackascoal said:
:0) Thanks for your perspective .. as completely flawed as it is.

Don't look now, but 'the road back' is already well under way.

In just 8 days, Trump has already reached MAJORITY disapproval .. the fastest on record .. and he has the lowest job approval of any in-coming president in American history.

Trump is the most hated man in the world with unprecedented rejection on the world stage. Unprecedented rejection from the American people.

YOU need to be wondering what the more reasonable people in your own party are thinking. :0) How long do you think it will be before republicans .. who never liked Trump in the first place .. abandon him?

The so-called 'white working class' elected this moron .. and his failures are their failures. His ignorance is their ignorance .. and guess what?

The Trump Faithful Are Already Expressing Buyer's Remorse
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/12/trump-voters-expressing-buyers-remorse

I do recognize that you Trump supporters / wrestling fans spend a lot of time in an alternative reality .. but the real world is about to slap you real hard as Trump's failures mount and the Republican Party abandons him.

Thanks again. :0)
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There you go talking down to the white working class again lol. It's clear that you despise them.

Good luck with the come back!
 
Darth Omar said:
There you go talking down to the white working class again lol. It's clear that you despise them.

Good luck with the come back!
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"Talking down" :0) That's hilarious.

So you think it's OK for republicans to talk down to every non-white group on the planet .. but there's something sacrosanct about white voters that exempt them from even talking TRUTH about them?

That's special.

The comeback is going much better than even I expected it would.

Thanks
 
Actually, after voting for Trump, with a fair degree of skepticism, I've so far been very impressed with what he is doing.

And I am aghast at the bad behavior and outright criminal activities of the Democratic Party, and their Far-Leftie Wack-A-Doodle Rioters.

I think most Blue-Dogs feel this way.

I think the Democratic Party is going to get allot smaller over the next year.


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Kurmugeon said:
Actually, after voting for Trump, with a fair degree of skepticism, I've so far been very impressed with what he is doing.

And I am aghast at the bad behavior and outright criminal activities of the Democratic Party, and their Far-Leftie Wack-A-Doodle Rioters.

I think most Blue-Dogs feel this way.

I think the Democratic Party is going to get allot smaller over the next year.


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Exactly why blue-dogs have just about all been run out of the party. :0)

There is no place for them here anymore .. be at home with the Republican Party you love.
 
blackascoal said:
Exactly why blue-dogs have just about all been run out of the party. :0)

There is no place for them here anymore .. be at home with the Republican Party you love.
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Okay... and we'll bring the vast majority of the working white voters with U.S.

Which means the Democratic Party no longer has a National standing, but is relagated to a regional, minor party status.

Enjoy!

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Kurmugeon said:
Okay... and we'll bring the vast majority of the working white voters with U.S.

Which means the Democratic Party no longer has a National standing, but is relagated to a regional, minor party status.

Enjoy!

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:0) Sure .. and if you believe that, you truly do belong with the Republican Party.

The key to recovery for democrats is focus on the WORKING CLASS, not the white working class.

The fact that you don't know that further demonstrates that you are at home with republicans.

.. and in case you didn't know, the future for democrats looks a lot brighter for them than for republicans.

I know .. you can't figure out why.
 
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