Trump's Team Looks Smarter on Russia

anatta said:
Misrata wasn't even mentioned by R2P UN Resolution. Misrata was a seige - there were bound to be civilians bombed-
NATO bombed civilians in Misrata! so what.

The claim in Bengazi was that Qadaffi was going to bomb proterstors -significtanly different then shelling the rebels who held key parts of Misrata.
Where are these documents now? The guys who were pushing this were freaking NTC commanders - including Alwab himself.
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No you didn't refute anything, and Tillerson cashed out his Exxon holdings -he has no more ties to Exxon.
You completely misunderstand NATO's expansionism, geopolitics in general- and Putin's motives in specific
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Fuck you, spin boy!!! :321:

Read the article I linked.

Torture, arrest, bombardment of EVERYBODY, including civilians. Yet you're making some desperate, dumbshit distinction about whether or not they were protesters.

Biggest. Idiot. Ever.

And if you believe that aside from some fancy window dressing for the benefit of those looking in, Tillerson has no profit motive re:Exxon, much like Dick Cheney and "no-bid contract" Haliburton, then you truly are a fool amongst fools.

A walking, breathing Gomer Pyle if ever there was.
 
blackascoal said:
First and foremost, I'm not at all interested in you nor any of your cultist buddies "taking me seriously." That's hilarious.

Morons taking me seriously is not why I post.

You haven't said a word about Trump's deep financial entanglements with Russia .. I did .. and I backed them up with evidence. Evidence you can't refute .. so you whine about copy and paste.

Seriously, if you don't know that Iraq was about oil, you are the last person to be admonishing anyone about being takes seriously. :0) Again, hilarious.

Don't mind me dude .. I'm just enjoying the clown show. :cof1: I'll sprinkle in more FACTS that you can't dispute whenever I get a hankering to.
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Consider me completely unimpressed with banal c/p from all kinds of sources about Trumps holdings.
If you managed to compose any other concepts to tie that in -great -but you don't.

Are you seriously saying Trump is solely motivated by profits? It completely misses his geopolitics.
Why has he called China the bigger problem? evidence of his holdings ( and i'm not bothering to search their viability)
or Flynn sitting with Putin at dinner/or Manforts misadventures ( and he was fired) do not explain why every president
including Trump wants a chance to do a Russian reset.

Bush got the chance/Obama got 2 chances/ and you want to deny Trump the same opportunity?

Go sit over there with your friends McCain and Graham/Rubio until you can come up with something original
and expect me to take you seriously.
'Putin is a murderous KGB thug"...ya McCain...we get your blood thirst..oh look! the leftists have joined your party!
 
Nomad said:
Fuck you, spin boy!!! :321:

Read the article I linked.

Torture, arrest, bombardment of EVERYBODY, including civilians. Yet you're making some desperate, dumbshit distinction about whether or not they were protesters.

Biggest. Idiot. Ever.

And if you believe that aside from some fancy window dressing for the benefit of those looking in, Tillerson has no profit motive re:Exxon, much like Dick Cheney and "no-bid contract" Haliburton, then you truly are a fool amongst fools.

A walking, breathing Gomer Pyle if ever there was.
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i read it. I responded that NATO did the same in Misrata -the article was about Misrata by and large.
Misrata was not Bengazi -Bengazi wasn't a siege situation.
There was no evidence Qadaffi ever deliberately targeted civilians for civilians sake - Misrata would be those famed "collateral damages".
What happened to these "documents"? maybe Alawb was full of NTC shit?
And if you believe that aside from some fancy window dressing for the benefit of those looking in, Tillerson has no profit motive re:Exxon, much like Dick Cheney and "no-bid contract" Haliburton, then you truly are a fool amongst fools.
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addressed and retorted - you spinning yourself into hysterics notwithstanding..
 
anatta said:
i read it. I responded that NATO did the same in Misrata -the article was about Misrata by and large.
Misrata was not Bengazi -Bengazi wasn't a siege situation.
There was no evidence Qadaffi ever deliberately targeted civilians for civilians sake - Misrata would be those famed "collateral damages".
addressed and retorted - you spinning yourself into hysterics notwithstanding..
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You're wrong, Benghazi was under siege.
 
anatta said:
Consider me completely unimpressed with banal c/p from all kinds of sources about Trumps holdings.
If you managed to compose any other concepts to tie that in -great -but you don't.

Are you seriously saying Trump is solely motivated by profits? It completely misses his geopolitics.
Why has he called China the bigger problem? evidence of his holdings ( and i'm not bothering to search their viability)
or Flynn sitting with Putin at dinner/or Manforts misadventures ( and he was fired) do not explain why every president
including Trump wants a chance to do a Russian reset.

Bush got the chance/Obama got 2 chances/ and you want to deny Trump the same opportunity?

Go sit over there with your friends McCain and Graham/Rubio until you can come up with something original
and expect me to take you seriously.
'Putin is a murderous KGB thug"...ya McCain...we get your blood thirst..oh look! the leftists have joined your party!
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Guess what led YOU to Libya?

Copy and paste .. that I was posting.

Were you reading classified documents about Hillary Clinton .. or did you get that from articles about her.

Do you have access to the Congressional Research Service? .. I do .. and it led me to the copy and paste articles about Libya that you swallowed like a Mr. Goodbar.

I repeat, I don't give a fuck about whether you like articles that you don't like and can't refute.
 
Guille said:
You're wrong, Benghazi was under siege.
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I don't think so..I could be wrong.do you have a source?
It was supposedly about protecting the protestors. Beware of western press on this -they desperately want to justify regime change
 
anatta said:
I don't think so..I could be wrong.do you have a source?
It was supposedly about protecting the protestors. Beware of western press on this -they desperately want to justify regime change
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If they weren't under siege then how come Hillary came under attack for not sending help?

Help for what?
 
anatta said:
i read it. I responded that NATO did the same in Misrata -the article was about Misrata by and large.
Misrata was not Bengazi -Bengazi wasn't a siege situation.
There was no evidence Qadaffi ever deliberately targeted civilians for civilians sake - Misrata would be those famed "collateral damages".
What happened to these "documents"? maybe Alawb was full of NTC shit?
addressed and retorted - you spinning yourself into hysterics notwithstanding..
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Hey moron.... this might be a bit advanced for you, but try to understand, unintentional collateral damage is not the same as callous disregard or intentional massacre.

We grown ups and adults who are capable of thinking on an adult level understand this and make the distinction, even though you apparently cannot or simply do not.

The documentation they found was IRREFUTABLE PROOF that Gaddafi ordered atrocities and war crimes both intentionally AND with no regard whatsoever to civilian casualties and death.

Spin it any way you want, spinboy. You're just making yourself look like an even bigger craven idiot than you already did.
 
Nomad said:
Hey moron.... this might be a bit advanced for you, but try to understand, unintentional collateral damage is not the same as callous disregard or intentional massacre.

We grown ups and adults who are capable of thinking on an adult level understand this and make the distinction, even though you apparently cannot or simply do not.

The documentation they found was IRREFUTABLE PROOF that Gaddafi ordered atrocities and war crimes both intentionally AND with no regard whatsoever to civilian casualties and death.

Spin it any way you want, spinboy. You're just making yourself look like an even bigger craven idiot than you already did.
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blackascoal said:
Guess what led YOU to Libya?

Copy and past. .. that I was posting.

Were you reading classified documents about Hillary Clinton .. or did you get that from articles about her.

Do you have access to the Congressional Research Service? .. I do .. and it led me to the copy and paste articles about Libya that you swallowed like a Mr. Goodbar.

I repeat, I don't give a fuck about whether you like articles that you don't like and can't refute.
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we are not talking about Libya except you and NOMAD.

Libyan oil/the gold dinar/Sarcozy's desire to check a Pan-African currency - all of that was in Blumental's Email
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...6/01/110402-France-client-gold-State-Dept.pdf

I don't know what you have access to- I do know just about all of this came to light from the FOIA on Hillary's Emails.
If you have other classified doc's-fine but we have a clear understanding just from her State dept Email
"tic toc on Libya" and the NYTimes articles, etc
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23898
From: Jake Sullivan [mailtc
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Mills, Cheryl D; Nuland, Victoria
Subject: tick tock on libya
this is basically off the top of my head, with a few consultations of my notes. but it shows S' leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country's libya policy from start to finish. let me know what you think. toria, who else might be able to add to this? Secretary Clinton's leadership on Libya HRC has been a critical voice on Libya in administration deliberations, at NATO, and in contact group meetings — as well as the public face of the U.S. effort in Libya. She was instrumental in securing the authorization, building the coalition, and tightening the noose around Qadhafi and his regime.
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You fail to address the geopolitics behind a "Russian reset" ( why POTUS always want this since NATO expansion)
in favor of facile Trump holdings.
I don't care what you want -all I care about is what you post
 
Nomad said:
Hey moron.... this might be a bit advanced for you, but try to understand, unintentional collateral damage is not the same as callous disregard or intentional massacre.

We grown ups and adults who are capable of thinking on an adult level understand this and make the distinction, even though you apparently cannot or simply do not.

The documentation they found was IRREFUTABLE PROOF that Gaddafi ordered atrocities and war crimes both intentionally AND with no regard whatsoever to civilian casualties and death.

Spin it any way you want, spinboy. You're just making yourself look like an even bigger craven idiot than you already did.
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The rebels were embedded in Misrata. the ports, the power centers. They were under seige.
what you miss as always was Qaddafi was a legitimate ruler of Libya, and had every right to put down the insurrection.

The "documents" claimed were published by the Guardian in 2011! (during the civil war/NATO interventionism) what happened to them?

If you can't see going after the NTC in Misrata was going to included collateral damage -that's on you.
The R2P was about Bengazi..etc
 
anatta said:
we are not talking about Libya except you and NOMAD.

Libyan oil/the gold dinar/Sarcozy's desire to check a Pan-African currency - all of that was in Blumental's Email
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...6/01/110402-France-client-gold-State-Dept.pdf

I don't know what you have access to- I do know just about all of this came to light from the FOIA on Hillary's Emails.
If you have other classified doc's-fine but we have a clear understanding just from her State dept Email
"tic toc on Libya" and the NYTimes articles, etc

You fail to address the geopolitics behind a "Russian reset" ( why POTUS always want this since NATO expansion)
in favor of facile Trump holdings.
I don't care what you want -all I care about is what you post
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I pointed out your glaring hypocrisy and incredible idiocy.

I don't care about the bullshit you want to talk about.

Riddle me this genius .. If Putin was so interested in a reset .. why would he risk that by having anything to do with hacking a US election?

The rest of that bullshit you're talking about is just you kissing Trump's ass..
 
anatta said:
The rebels were embedded in Misrata. the ports, the power centers. They were under seige.
what you miss as always was Qaddafi was a legitimate ruler of Libya, and had every right to put down the insurrection.

The "documents" claimed were published by the Guardian in 2011! (during the civil war/NATO interventionism) what happened to them?

If you can't see going after the NTC in Misrata was going to included collateral damage -that's on you.
The R2P was about Bengazi..etc
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You are pathetic. A true fucking blob of mental mush. A one-acid-trip-too-many moron.

I don't suppose the terms "war crimes" and "peaceful transition of power" mean anything to you, do they?

You bitch about Hillary supporting a limited bombing campaign and use it as part of your rationale for hating her with every drug-soaked fiber of your being, while giving a murderous thug like Gaddafi a pass for slaughtering untold thousands of his own people for wanting to oust him from power.

You are truly one mixed-up ding-a-ling, anutter.
 
blackascoal said:
I pointed out your glaring hypocrisy and incredible idiocy.

I don't care about the bullshit you want to talk about.

Riddle me this genius .. If Putin was so interested in a reset .. why would he risk that by having anything to do with hacking a US election?

The rest of that bullshit you're talking about is just you kissing Trump's ass..
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you point out nothing but "libyan oil" when in fact that was more complicated. Iraq was not "blood for oil"

Putin probably figured he could get away with it - he did. Russian hacking was known to Obama back on Oct 7th.
Yet nothing was said except he claims he told Putin to "cut it out".

China hacked the OMB databases on classified employees - 20 million names and bio's -why was nothing done about that?
More evidence Putin probably thought there would be no consequences.

Trump is going to go after our lack of cyber-security; why did Obama completely ignore this?
Maybe because everytime he goes up against Putin he loses?

The relationship desperately needs a reset -but it's going to take more then Hillary's plastic button to do it.
 
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