Trump's Team Looks Smarter on Russia

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Rex Tillerson made it clear at his confirmation hearing that he is not a fan of Vladimir Putin. That surprised many of those who held his record of successful deals in Russia, and his Russian Order of Friendship medal, against him. It shouldn't have. Tillerson was not out of sync with Donald Trump's stated desire for a better relationship with Russia, but he was signalling that improved relations shouldn't come at any price.

Tillerson started out by volunteering that "While Russia seeks respect and relevance on the global stage, its recent activities have disregarded America's interest." Then, under questioning from senators, he said the annexation of Crimea was "a taking of territory that was not theirs"; that "coming across the border of eastern Ukraine with both military assets and men was illegal"; that he supports the Magnitsky Act, which sanctions Russian officials involved in human rights violations; that the Russian military action in Aleppo was "not acceptable behavior"; that Russia has a poor human rights record and doesn't adhere to the rule of law.


All this from a man who got a medal from Putin seemed to violate the cardinal rule of the "either-with-us-or-against-us" school of many American Russia-experts. Stanford professor Michael McFaul, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia and a staunch supporter of the Obama administration's Russia policy, tweeted incredulously:



Russia, the outgoing Exxon Mobil CEO said, is a U.S. "adversary on an ideological level." Under Putin, it doesn't share the values the U.S. stands for. Yet Russia is predictable in wanting a seat at the table when global issues are discussed. Tillerson said:


They believe they deserve a rightful role in the global world order because they are a nuclear power. And they are searching as to how to establish that. And for most of the past 20-plus years since the demise of the Soviet Union they were not in a position to assert that. They have spent all of these years developing the capability to do that. I think that now what we are witnessing is an assertion on their part in order to force a conversation about what is Russia's role in the global world order. So the steps being taken are simply to make the point that Russia is here, Russia matters, and we are a force to be dealt with. That is a fairly predictable course of action they are taking.

Tillerson advocates "an open and frank dialog with Russia regarding ambitions so we know how to chart our own course." That dialogue will sometimes lead to partnership -- like in "reducing the global threat of terrorism." According to Tillerson (and indeed his new boss), defeating the Islamic State should be the first priority for the U.S. in the Middle East. In other cases, however, the U.S. must take strong action when Russian interests contradict U.S. ones. When pushed to suggest a different course of action on Ukraine than the one the Obama administration took, Tillerson didn't hesitate:


I would have recommended that the Ukraine take all of its military assets available, put them on the eastern border, provide assets with defensive weapons that are necessary just to defend themselves, announce that the U.S. is going to provide them intelligence and that either NATO or U.S. will provide air surveillance over the border to monitor movements.

That, he said, would have signaled to Russia that it couldn't go beyond taking Crimea because that would mean a direct military confrontation with the U.S. Russia, he argued, needs to see a strong response before it considers taking a step back. In Tillerson's view, the U.S. response -- sanctions as imposed by the Obama administration -- signaled weakness, not strength.

The sanctions, according to Tillerson, were a flawed approach for three reasons: They hurt U.S. business (Exxon Mobil was one example -- the sanctions scuppered a major project with Rosneft);
they weren't backed by enough other countries, unlike the U.S.-initiated sanctions on Iran;
and they helped consolidate Putin's domestic support.
That said, Tillerson didn't advocate lifting the sanctions immediately. Rather, he's in favor of the status quo until the U.S. and Russia are clear on the new status of their relationship.

Tillerson's knowledge of Russia is that of a businessman who has made billion-dollar deals there and who understands the peculiar entanglement of business and politics in Moscow. He clearly believes in approaching the relationship like a business negotiation: Identifying areas in which give and take is possible, initial and fall-back negotiating positions and red lines that are not to be crossed. This is in line with Trump's stated vision -- Tillerson is merely more articulate and, as an engineer by training, more precise than his would-be boss.

This is also a stark contrast to Barack Obama's view of the relationship, which the outgoing president summarized during his December press conference:


The Russians can’t change us or significantly weaken us. They are a smaller country. They are a weaker country. Their economy doesn’t produce anything that anybody wants to buy, except oil and gas and arms. They don’t innovate. But they can impact us if we lose track of who we are. They can impact us if we abandon our values.

Obama sees Russia as insignificant and working with it as a departure from U.S. values. That vision may have stemmed from the disappointments brought on by the unsuccessful "reset" of relations during his first term, but it also pushed Putin to keep proving Obama wrong. He succeeded, demonstrating the powerlessness of U.S. sanctions to deter him in Ukraine, shunting the U.S. aside in Syria and perhaps even messing with a number of Western elections.

A negotiating process based on clearly drawn lines, which are backed by readiness to apply force, is not equal to support for Putin's human rights abuses and cross-border escapades. It can't be the beginning of a beautiful friendship; there are too many deeply rooted differences. But it can be the start of a more realistic, more predictable relationship -- the best both nuclear powers can hope for given their current irreconcilable differences of ideology.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-12/trump-s-team-looks-smarter-on-russia
 
beautiful. well said..end the mono-polar madness that only the US has the say on US/Russian relations.

You don't have to grovel to Putin, you merely have to accept Russia's presence on the world stage.
Work it out, don't war it out.
 
wipe that putin semen off your lips
Trump's team is definately smarter then idiots like this...sadly this Whack Job isn't all that far out of the main stream.
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So what's it going to be? US Arrogance and more of the same or a real reset recgonizing Russia as a world power?
 
Tillerson talks like he never set foot in a Washington think tank. What a breath of fresh air.

Think about it: with his background, diplomacy for Tillerson comes natural as breathing the air; yet he's not an ideologue but a pragmatist. That's why his ideas are 'beautiful' lol.

You're looking at simple, common sense. Work with Russia [or whoever, this Russia obsession is politically driven so it has a shelf life] where you can; but keep firm lines drawn in places where you can't.

None of this 'well, you're not a Jeffersonian democracy or your press isn't free so screw you until you clean your act up' business. That just leads to stalemate at best, and we don't want to go there, at worst.

Trump's best pick, IMO.
 
^ yep..it's not our business how Putin governs Russia -it is our business where Putin is on the world stage.

Notice what the author ( quoting Tillerson) shows where sanctions didn't work,and will not work -because they go up against real Russian core needs. They hurt Putin, but they are not effective

We're are such a bunch of crybabies when it comes to Russia, but say nothing about China's hegemony,and glomming up territory.
Tillerson gets that.
I hope for this country's sake he gets confirmed -that Asian Pivot to China is coming on strong whether we want it or not
 
No offense, but if once of Hillary's nominees was saying this stuff, you guys would be talking about apology tours and singing "Kum ba yah" with our enemies...
 
No offense, but if once of Hillary's nominees was saying this stuff, you guys would be talking about apology tours and singing "Kum ba yah" with our enemies...
Can you tie that to some kind of actual reality?
Nobody is in love with Russia -there is no "To Russia With Love "movement.

Getting out of the Cold War with it's distractions/manpower needs/material escalations that do nothing is reality.
Cooperate where we can -detente where we can't, and oppose where we must
 
Goddamn these people are stupid.

The Dangers of the Putin-Trump Relationship

David Frum: Foreign governments, friendly and unfriendly, often try to influence U.S. politics and elections. Many European leaders made no secret of their dislike of George W. Bush. Israel lobbies Congress, as do the Arab allies. China offers sweet deals to retiring officials. What’s different about the Trump-Putin relationship?

Rob Glaser: Two fundamental differences, and perhaps a third. The first is that Russia is directly interfering in the U.S. election through a combination of espionage and then leaking the results of that espionage in order to discredit one of the two major presidential candidates. This never happened even during the Cold War. It’s a dangerous escalation that threatens the integrity of the U.S. electoral process.

The second is Trump explicitly encouraging Russia to commit further espionage against Clinton. This is also unprecedented. Indeed, it’s unfathomable to me that the public hasn’t universally recognized that this is disqualifying behavior by Trump that borders on treason.

The third possible way this year’s activities are unprecedented is related to Trump’s deep financial ties to Russia and to politically well-connected Russian oligarchs. There is some evidence emerging about these links and our team at PutinTrump.org is trying to ferret out more. What I’d say for now is with Trump, every time there’s been smoke, there’s also been fire.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-and-putins-relationship/500852/

Reset my ass. This is nothing more than Trump ass-kissing at the expense of American security.

When the full truth is revealed, you'll know where to find the traitors.
 
Can you tie that to some kind of actual reality?
Nobody is in love with Russia -there is no "To Russia With Love "movement.

Getting out of the Cold War with it's distractions/manpower needs/material escalations that do nothing is reality.
Cooperate where we can -detente where we can't, and oppose where we must

Nobody was singing "Kum ba Yah" when Obama took office either, but that didn't stop righties from saying it.

If Hillary was saying half of the stuff Trump or his people were saying, she'd be villified.
 
Tillerson talks like he never set foot in a Washington think tank. What a breath of fresh air.

Think about it: with his background, diplomacy for Tillerson comes natural as breathing the air; yet he's not an ideologue but a pragmatist. That's why his ideas are 'beautiful' lol.

You're looking at simple, common sense. Work with Russia [or whoever, this Russia obsession is politically driven so it has a shelf life] where you can; but keep firm lines drawn in places where you can't.

None of this 'well, you're not a Jeffersonian democracy or your press isn't free so screw you until you clean your act up' business. That just leads to stalemate at best, and we don't want to go there, at worst.

Trump's best pick, IMO.
Tillerson was ill prepared for his hearing. He did not see a problem with Allepo. He blew it on Russia.
 
Nobody was singing "Kum ba Yah" when Obama took office either, but that didn't stop righties from saying it.

If Hillary was saying half of the stuff Trump or his people were saying, she'd be villified.

If Hillary was taking Office we'd be in Syria...but the topic is US-Russian realtions
 
If Putin was at all interested in a 'reset' he wouldn't have interfered in the US election.

How many brain cells are required to figure that out?
 
Tillerson was ill prepared for his hearing. He did not see a problem with Allepo. He blew it on Russia.
I'd be a little careful about that "war crime" label after we just bombed a hospital in Kanduz, Afghanistan.
Rubio and McCain and Graham tend to overlook our war crimes
 
Nobody was singing "Kum ba Yah" when Obama took office either, but that didn't stop righties from saying it.

If Hillary was saying half of the stuff Trump or his people were saying, she'd be villified.

she was vilified and you helped
 
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