The Nation Is Divided Into Two Camps: Trump and Anti-Trump

[anatta]

Those people were fairly succinct and meant what they said. Now that Ginsburg is in New Zealand there are two open seats.

well consider the Constitution as an outline of powers. It's like a framework for government.
You can add on; but it has to be tied to the original architecture, not just made up because we think it's a good idea ( convenience)

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Well you're being a little tough on me today. The reason why states would struggle to do what the EPA does is because it would be taking on the massive bureaucracy that it has created which is inefficient and can be detrimental to progress and businesses. I would agree with you that some states may relax regulations too much which could result in something bad happening if there is no oversight but that doesn't mean the citizens of that state wouldn't or couldn't demand change locally or even statewide if they felt their waterways, soil, or other resources were being abused by an energy company or other type of business.

LOL I like you immensely Norah but I"m not here to be nice or be an echo chamber for you. I'm not trying to be mean either but I am being tough on you as I am challenging your thinking in a way that you're probably not used too. That and you do seem to be pretty bright. I've worked in the private sector for a long time but I have also worked within a regulated industry and have worked with government regulatory agencies for a long time. When I hear the kind of States rights arguments it's usually coming from ideologues who have little to no knowledge of these industries, why they are regulated, or how and why these regulatory agencies came into being or how they operate and impact government at the Federal, State and local level.

The ideologues are almost always wrong because they have little to no knowledge of the facts, circumstances and reality of dealing with these important issues.

 

[tsuke]

Why didn't you? People write in candidates all the time.

cuz he wanted to win?

 

[anatta]

aand. it's not"states rights". that's some silly secessionist term without any real meaning.
It's balance of powers as enumerated in the Constitution (what is known as federalism)

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Well you're being a little tough on me today. The reason why states would struggle to do what the EPA does is because it would be taking on the massive bureaucracy that it has created which is inefficient and can be detrimental to progress and businesses. I would agree with you that some states may relax regulations too much which could result in something bad happening if there is no oversight but that doesn't mean the citizens of that state wouldn't or couldn't demand change locally or even statewide if they felt their waterways, soil, or other resources were being abused by an energy company or other type of business.

To address your other points that's pretty much how it currently is.

To use US EPA and TCEQ as an example. US EPA sets national standards for environmental compliance in eliminating and managing pollution. The States are within their rights to establish their own standards too but they must be at least as stringent as the national standards. Localities also have the right to set up more stringent standards than State standards as long as they comply with State and Federal Standards in most States (Texas is an exception. Local governments do not have the right to have more stringent regulations than TCEQ. Rather hypocritical of Texas don't you think?).

So what you're generally saying is how it should be is pretty much how it is. The problem with the States rights argument relevant to pollution control is that States often create pollution that extend beyond their borders and impacts the people and environment of other States. This is why we have national standards.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Understood .. but being much closer to the outrage then you may be, it's clear to see what's coming.

Keep in mind that I'm not a democrat .. they've been much too timid for me. But I've been watching and analyzing politics for a long time .. this is different .. and Trump will only fan the flames.

Agreed. I am truly frustrated with how wimpy the Democrats are.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Jefferson was also very much a strong advocate for states rights, agrarian society, and small federal government.

Are you saying US would be better if we had remained a agricultural society like Jefferson envisioned instead of an industrial and technological one?

Jefferson was a brilliant man but he wasn't right about everything.

 

[Celticguy]

aand. it's not"states rights". that's some silly secessionist term without any real meaning.
It's balance of powers as enumerated in the Constitution (what is known as federalism)

If you read it you will find that it is pretty clear regarding what are state matters and what are not.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I agree, it was a short answer to cawacko

He's a USC grad...so I see where you're coming from.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You need a catchy slogan!

Hopple for the Sheeple!

A Hoople in every pot and two Hooples in every garage!

 

[Norah]

Are you saying US would be better if we had remained a agricultural society like Jefferson envisioned instead of an industrial and technological one?

Jefferson was a brilliant man but he wasn't right about everything.

well I know for me personally I wish more people had a real connection to their food and more respect and understanding of the importance of agriculture but I know not everybody is built for that type of lifestyle. I don't think Jefferson could have envisioned the type of technological advancements that exist in our lifetime and so having the agrarian society that he envisioned would have obviously adapted over time I think, but I do think that our country would be better off with a little less technology and a little more dirt under our fingernails.

I realize I'm biased though as a person thats grown up on a working farm/ranch, has been involved in the FFA all my life so far, am currently majoring in the field, and just loves that type of environment and lifestyle even on its hardest days.

 

[evince]

well I know for me personally I wish more people had a real connection to their food and more respect and understanding of the importance of agriculture but I know not everybody is built for that type of lifestyle. I don't think Jefferson could have envisioned the type of technological advancements that exist in our lifetime and so having the agrarian society that he envisioned would have obviously adapted over time I think, but I do think that our country would be better off with a little less technology and a little more dirt under our fingernails.

while the rest of the world overtakes us

 

[Norah]

while the rest of the world overtakes us

The world overtakes us as my generation and other generations have their faces buried in their phones and live their lives through social media.

 

[Bigdog]

while the rest of the world overtakes us

A liberal that loves the MIC ... who knew

 

[evince]

the rest of the world does too

 

[Bigdog]

the rest of the world does too

Always figured you were a warmongering socialist.

 

[evince]

the entire world is on a phone

you going to lie about that for what reason asshole traitor

 

[Norah]

the entire world is on a phone

you going to lie about that for what reason asshole traitor

Which is why I think it would benefit many people in my generation and other generations to get a little dirt on their boots every now and then so that they dont take their standard of living for granted.

 

[evince]

and your proof they do is what?

republican lie memes

 

[Bigdog]

the entire world is on a phone

you going to lie about that for what reason asshole traitor

To you, the entire world extends as far as your living room walls.