The Nation Is Divided Into Two Camps: Trump and Anti-Trump

[anatta]

Civil War was mainly about secession.
Lincoln was aware of the need for Emancipation -but everything was secondary to preserving the Union.

It's almost like the founding - where slave states were allowed to keep their slaves - because formation of the Union was paramount.

 

[OldMercsRule]

You were told wrong. Try educating yourself.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.

No doubt Lincoln saw his job as keeping the Union together, (that is not in dispute).

That said: the reason the Union fell apart and war broke out was one PRIMARY ISSUE: slavery.

Lincoln figured out the only way to save the Union was to make Slavery consistent with the Declaration which meant end slavery.

Anti-American Marxists like you, (dummer the swallower), and the Black Coal feller want to paint this great Country in the nastiest terms possible.

No matter how ya spin things slavery, (as put forth by the dim wit Democrat party of slavery), was the ONLY PRIMARY reason for the 1860 war and you dim wit Democrat termites want to create as many racial problems as ya can by keepin' the issue alive with upside down spin.

 

[blackascoal]

I am telling you that a lot of Union soldiers died to liberate slaves whether you acknowledge that fact or not is immaterial.

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You aren't telling me shit but your own distorted fuckwad impression of an American history you don't know shit about.

They died to preserve the union you idiot, not to free slaves.

Your mouth is still moving when post #511 should have shut you up forever.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

an overtly racist has been elected president, bringing the Klan to the White House with him.

That says everything that need be said about race in America.

see how freedom works?.......just like everyone else you are free to lie your ass off on a politics board.........

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Amazing arrogance.

You're trying to tell me my own history, then when proven wrong .. I'm being condescending.

Must be a British thing.

/shrugs.....you know jack shit about the present......why should we assume you know something about the past?......

 

[blackascoal]

see how freedom works?.......just like everyone else you are free to lie your ass off on a politics board.........

Ignorant and easily ignored.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Stupid .. and completely incapable of addressing the issue.

The premis of yer discourse is always anti-American, and you always label people with whom you disagree as stupid and incapable or in the case of Milagro, (he's not American), so he can't understand what the angry arrogant Black Coal feller knows to be true.

Fact is yer upside down, as are most angry anti-American hard Left Marxists.

I'm sure yer gonna tell me I can't get the issue because not only am I stupid butt: I'm not Black.

The 1860 war was due to one PRIMARY ISSUE: SLAVERY.

That is a fact no matter what you (dummer the swallower) or any other anti-American Leftie Marxist says whether or not yer skin color is purple, green or whatever.

burp...

 

[cancel2 2022]

You aren't telling me shit but your own distorted fuckwad impression of an American history you don't know shit about.

They died to preserve the union you idiot, not to free slaves.

Your mouth is still moving when post #511 should have shut you up forever.

I love the way that you think, like so many cultural Marxists, that you, and you only, have access to the true facts. We all know that Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union ffs. However it is still an undeniable fact that many Union soldiers died to emancipate slaves, I frankly can't even see why that's contentious.

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[PostmodernProphet]

.. and you're looking for a thank you. :0)

it WOULD be preferable to the "Fuck You" you're handing out.......l

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Ignorant and easily ignored.

yes, but it would be racist to assume all blacks are the same as you......

 

[Norah]

In my opinion based on the classes I've taken probably the majority of union soldiers were fighting to preserve the union and as time went on many of the them adopted secondary reasons for fighting such as to free the slaves once the union was reunited. Most confederates were fighting for their state/home with secondary reasons being things like the preservation of their culture, states rights, and to protect their economy which would include slavery for some of them. Most confederate soldiers did not own a single slave but felt a greater allegiance to their state than to the US government and Lincoln and his party which many southerners considered to be hostile to their way of life.

 

[Norah]

I know for me that if Texas decided to secede from the United States today I'd honestly probably side with Texas, and it's 2017, just think about the way life was and the way the culture was back in the 1860's. It's so understandable that people would choose their State and their culture over states and a culture that was not for them.

 

[cancel2 2022]

In my opinion based on the classes I've taken probably the majority of union soldiers were fighting to preserve the union and as time went on many of the them adopted secondary reasons for fighting such as to free the slaves once the union was reunited. Most confederates were fighting for their state/home with secondary reasons being things like the preservation of their culture, states rights, and to protect their economy which would include slavery for some of them. Most confederate soldiers did not own a single slave but felt a greater allegiance to their state than to the US government and Lincoln and his party which many southerners considered to be hostile to their way of life.

Yes preserving the Union was certainly the primary motive but emancipating slaves was high on the agenda as well.

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[Norah]

Yes preserving the Union was certainly the primary motive but emancipating slaves was high on the agenda as well.

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As time went on for many of the soldiers probably yes, especially after the emancipation proclamation, but for probably most of the time it was more of a motive for the northern politicians and Lincoln than the average soldier in my opinion.

 

[blackascoal]

Yes preserving the Union was certainly the primary motive but emancipating slaves was high on the agenda as well.

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"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it." .. Abe Lincoln

 

[Norah]

Also the focus on freeing the slaves from a Lincoln/union point of view in my opinion was less about the morality of it but more about the practically and necessity of abolishing it if the southern states lost the war. There would be no real way to have a true union after the war if the south maintained slavery since it was such a big part of its economy and culture. In my opinion Lincoln had to go towards emancipation in the event of the union winning the war because if he didn't then it would actually be a slight confederate win since their main focus was states rights which included that state's usage of slavery. It's interesting to talk about I think.