Putin spokesman: Russia to consider retaliation after US sanctions

You actually buy all that phony-baloney Mr NiceGuy crap from Putin?

He and Trump are manipulating you Trumpsuckers without even trying hard.
I buy into realpolitik. all I care about is checking Putins expansionism without spending zillions of dollars and fomenting Cold War tensions.

Lookat what Putin wants now -is it land? (no) he got his buffer zone in Donbass (eastern Uk) and his access to Crimea secured.
What;s left for him -the Baltics? (obviously not).

The only thing really left is Transnitria -is he going to invade that strip? does it really matter? no and no.
He's got Sevatapol (now a land bridge almost built) -that was what he really needed to check NATO expansion

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Here's what you warhawks don't understand: Putin needs a better economy
Allowing the sanctions to dissipate reduces the tensions without putting any land grabs at risk.
AllowPutin to improve his economy -
in return we don't need to be CONSTANTLY building up more and more arms on the Russian front.
It's an arms race now -do you need documentation??

For the US/west it allows us to focus on China and checking Putin in the middle east (another Obama failure)
China is on a YUGE spending binge;for example they can't compete with the f-35's stand off abilities.
But they can build more manueverable jets in QUANTITIES to can over-whelm the F-35's air - to -air capabilities.

China is already known tobe a world hegemon. China is the upcoming confrontation -and by removing Russia from the equation allows the Asian Pivot even Obama saw is needed.
China is rampaging across the South China Sea
 
He also wants to resurrect the USSR and invade our NATO allies. Trump has already hinted that he isn't into NATO.
Did the Trumpeteers listen to anything The Donald said?
All Putin wants is Novorossiya: southeastern Ukraine and the Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk and Odessa regions.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/17/novorossiya-is-back-from-the-dead/
Novorossiya." the 18th-century Russian wars against the Ottomans that resulted in the Russian Empire’s expansion to the coast of the Black Sea. The newly conquered territories were dubbed "New Russia," a name that was still being applied to southern Ukraine right up until the late 19th century. My conversation with Kvasnyuk, however, was the first time I’d heard the term invoked as a possible state-building scenario in the 21st century.
 
FBI Analysis Fingers Russian Spy Agencies For U.S. Election Hacks
The report included samples of malicious computer code.

The FBI squarely blamed Russian intelligence services on Thursday for meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, releasing the most definitive report yet on the issue, including samples of malicious computer code said to have been used in a broad hacking campaign.

Starting in mid-2015, Russia’s foreign intelligence agency, the FSB, emailed a malicious link to more than 1,000 recipients, including U.S. government targets, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said in a 13-page report co-authored with the Department of Homeland Security. (bit.ly/2iuT8cp)

While the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence had said Russia was behind the hacking in October, the report is the first detailed technical analysis provided by the government and the first official FBI statement.

Russia has consistently denied the hacking allegations.

The FBI issued its report on the same day that President Barack Obama announced a series of retaliatory measures, including the expulsion of 35 Russian intelligence operatives and the sanctioning of the GRU and FSB. The Kremlin denounced the sanctions as unlawful and promised “adequate” retaliation.

According to the FBI report, among the groups compromised by the FSB hacks was the Democratic National Committee, which was again infiltrated in early 2016 by another Russian agency, the military GRU.

The report largely corroborates earlier findings from private cyber firms, such as CrowdStrike, which probed the hacks at the DNC and elsewhere, and is a preview of a more detailed assessment from the U.S. intelligence community that President Barack Obama ordered completed before he leaves office next month, a source familiar with the matter said.

Much of the information provided in the report is not new, the source said, reflecting the difficulty of publicly attributing cyber attacks without revealing classified sources and methods used by the government.

Some senior Republican leaders in the U.S. Congress have expressed outrage at what they called Russian interference in America’s elections, diverging from their own party’s president-elect. The allegations and sanctions mark a new post-Cold War low in U.S.-Russian ties.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...s_58666756e4b0de3a08f7fd27?qy2amr2hldyn2q33di
 
im surprised putin would do no retaliation. I suppose this works too in making him look more pacifist than obama.
Obama could have done retaliaton long ago. Recall he did tell Putin to "cut it out" -Only the whining Dems and the endless warhawks are wanting any more sanctions.

Putin is sidestepping the tit-for-tat in favor of better realtions -which allow his economy to heal.

Better US/Russian realations are better for both the US & Russia ( so called win/win) -if you wanna call that pacifism?
I call it smart power ( not to be confused with Clintonian interventionism)
 
I buy into realpolitik. all I care about is checking Putins expansionism without spending zillions of dollars and fomenting Cold War tensions.

Lookat what Putin wants now -is it land? (no) he got his buffer zone in Donbass (eastern Uk) and his access to Crimea secured.
What;s left for him -the Baltics? (obviously not).

The only thing really left is Transnitria -is he going to invade that strip? does it really matter? no and no.
He's got Sevatapol (now a land bridge almost built) -that was what he really needed to check NATO expansion

screen_shot_2015-04-10_at_12_07_24_pm.jpg


Here's what you warhawks don't understand: Putin needs a better economy
Allowing the sanctions to dissipate reduces the tensions without putting any land grabs at risk.
AllowPutin to improve his economy -
in return we don't need to be CONSTANTLY building up more and more arms on the Russian front.
It's an arms race now -do you need documentation??

For the US/west it allows us to focus on China and checking Putin in the middle east (another Obama failure)
China is on a YUGE spending binge;for example they can't compete with the f-35's stand off abilities.
But they can build more manueverable jets in QUANTITIES to can over-whelm the F-35's air - to -air capabilities.

China is already known tobe a world hegemon. China is the upcoming confrontation -and by removing Russia from the equation allows the Asian Pivot even Obama saw is needed.
China is rampaging across the South China Sea

yes, China is much more of an adversary than Russia
 
I guess the lefties want to go to war with Russia
shit happens. getting distracted into a needless confrontation is always possible. Let the Dem's stew in their hate -let the warpigs in the Republican party bang the drums for war.
Bypass all that noise and MAGA without spending many more billions into Cold War brinkmanship
 
A restored relationship with Russia would serve everyone’s interests and make an increasingly dangerous, more chaotic world safer.
It is a good idea—even if Donald Trump suggested it. :)
 
NEWSWEEK: WHY VLADIMIR PUTIN’S RUSSIA IS BACKING DONALD TRUMP

In phone calls, meetings and cables, America’s European allies have expressed alarm to one another about Donald Trump’s public statements denying Moscow’s role in cyberattacks designed to interfere with the U.S. election. They fear the Republican nominee for president has emboldened the Kremlin in its unprecedented cybercampaign to disrupt elections in multiple countries in hopes of weakening Western alliances, according to intelligence, law enforcement and other government officials in the United States and Europe.

While American intelligence officers have privately briefed Trump about Russia’s attempts to influence the U.S. election, he has publicly dismissed that information as unreliable, instead saying this hacking of incredible sophistication and technical complexity could have been done by some 400-pound “guy sitting on their bed” or even a child.

Officials from two European countries tell Newsweek that Trump’s comments about Russia’s hacking have alarmed several NATO partners because it suggests he either does not believe the information he receives in intelligence briefings, does not pay attention to it, does not understand it or is misleading the American public for unknown reasons. One British official says members of that government who are aware of the scope of Russia’s cyberattacks both in Western Europe and America found Trump’s comments “quite disturbing” because they fear that, if elected, the Republican presidential nominee would continue to ignore information gathered by intelligence services in the formulation of U.S. foreign policy.

Trump’s behavior, however, has at times concerned the Russians, leading them to revise their hacking and disinformation strategy. For example, when Trump launched into an inexplicable attack on the parents of a Muslim-American soldier who died in combat, the Kremlin assumed the Republican nominee was showing himself psychologically unfit to be president and would be forced by his party to withdraw from the race. As a result, Moscow put its hacking campaign temporarily on hold, ending the distribution of documents until Trump stabilized, both personally and in the polls, according to reports provided to Western intelligence.

America’s European partners are also troubled by the actions of several people close to Trump’s campaign and company. Trump has been surrounded by advisers and associates with economic and familial links to Russia. The publicized connections and contacts between former campaign manager Paul Manafort with Ukraine have raised concerns. Former Trump adviser Carter Page is being probed by American and European intelligence on allegations that he engaged in back-channel discussions with Russian government officials over the summer. Page did travel to Moscow, but he denies any inappropriate contact with Russian officials. The allies are also uneasy about retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, a Trump adviser who was reportedly considered a possible running mate for the GOP nominee. Last December, Flynn attended a dinner at the Metropol Hotel in honor of the 10th anniversary of RT, a Russian news agency that has been publicly identified by American intelligence as a primary outlet for Moscow’s disinformation campaigns. Flynn, who was two seats away from Russian President Vladimir Putin at the dinner, has frequently appeared on RT, despite public warnings by American intelligence that the news agency is used for Russian propaganda.

Western intelligence has also obtained reports that a Trump associate met with a pro-Putin member of Russian parliament at a building in Eastern Europe maintained by Rossotrudnichestvo, an agency under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that is charged with administering language, education and support programs for civilians. While the purpose of that meeting is unclear, and there is no evidence that Trump was aware it took place, it has become another fact that has alarmed officials from at least one NATO ally. Finally, Trump’s repeated glowing statements about Putin throughout the campaign—and his shocking comment that the Russians were not in Crimea—have perplexed some foreign officials, who fear that under a Trump presidency, the United States would no longer stand with Western Europe in regard to Moscow.

Trump and his campaign have also spread propaganda created as part of the Kremlin's effort, relying on bogus information generated through traditional Russian disinformation techniques. In one instance, a manipulated document was put out onto the internet anonymously by propagandists working with Russia; within hours, Trump was reciting that false information at a campaign rally. The Trump campaign has also spread claims from Sputnik, another news outlet identified by American intelligence as part of the Russian disinformation campaign. For example, almost immediately after the posting of an article by Sputnik attacking this Newsweek reporter, the Trump campaign emailed a link to the piece to American reporters, urging them to pursue the same story.

American intelligence officials know Russia used cyberattacks and misinformation to interfere with recent elections in Western Europe, including the German elections last month that resulted in victories for right-wing populists, and the United Kingdom’s vote in June on Brexit, a referendum that called for Britain to leave the European Union.

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Officials in Western Europe say they are dismayed that they now feel compelled to gather intelligence on a man who could be the next president of the United States but believe they have no choice. Moscow is seen as a direct threat to their interests—both in its aggressive efforts to reshape global alliances and for its power to damage Western Europe, which obtains almost 40 percent of its natural gas from Russia. Should the United States, the last remaining superpower, tilt its policies away from NATO to the benefit of Russia, the alliance between America and Western Europe could be transformed in unprecedented ways. And so, for perhaps the first time since World War II, countries in Western Europe fear that the American election, should Trump win, could trigger events that imperil their national security and do potentially irreparable harm to the alliances that have kept the continent safe for decades.
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...a-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895

Long, but a very insightful article.

The Trump 'patriots' have opened the door and let the Russians into the American government.
 
aaaand don't forget Libya. Russia wanted no part of that interventionism.
It was NATO/Obama/Hillary that created the failed terrorist state. so tell me again about how "Putin is a thug"
 
How Trump’s victory is causing Europe to rethink its security

BERLIN — The surprise triumph of Donald Trump is raising fears of a historic recalibration between the United States and its allies in Europe, threatening to upend the allegiances that became the cornerstone of post-World War II peace.

Few countries are more in the crosshairs than Germany, Western Europe’s most populous nation and the pacifist home to 47,000 U.S. troops. For decades, American power has been a security blanket here. Even as thousands of U.S. troops were redeployed elsewhere, Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Obama forged a bond that became important in tackling various issues, including the Ukraine crisis and the fight against global warming.

Enter President-elect Trump, who threatened on the campaign trail to back away from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and force U.S. allies to shoulder more of the burden of their defense. Amid concern of a future bromance between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, the victory has put Europe on notice — and bracing for transatlantic divisions potentially greater than the “freedom fries” era of President George W. Bush.

A big question now is whether Trump’s America could awaken the sleeping giant of German might. This nation, weighed down by the horrific violence of Adolf Hitler, has shied away from military strength since the end of World War II. But leading voices here are now calling for a fresh debate on beefing up capabilities and equipment. They join a chorus from Belgium to Finland, where the clamor is growing for a more independent security strategy with the dawn of Trump.

“Europe will have to be prepared to take better precautions itself,” German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen told public television.

With Trump as commander in chief, ‘America is in uncharted territory’

The nascent push for more independence stems also from the fact that many Europeans saw Trump’s election in deeply personal terms — deflating their view of the United States as a serious nation and a bastion of tolerance. Many feel not just shocked but betrayed. Even senior voices in a nation more familiar with the risks of demagoguery than any other are asking whether it may really be wise for Germany to hitch its wagon to Trump.

“Trump is the trailblazer of a new authoritarian and international chauvinist movement,” Sigmar Gabriel, Germany’s deputy chancellor, told German media after the U.S. presidential election. He added: “They want a rollback to the bad old times in which women belonged by the stove or in bed, gays in jail, and unions at best at the side table. He who doesn’t keep his mouth shut gets publicly bashed.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3db57f0e351_story.html?utm_term=.abeb10173d7a
 
It would be nice to see European countries step up and contribute their "fair share" to defense spending
 
aaaand don't forget Libya. Russia wanted no part of that interventionism.
It was NATO/Obama/Hillary that created the failed terrorist state. so tell me again about how "Putin is a thug"

then move to Russia you KGB cock sucker
 
It would be nice to see European countries step up and contribute their "fair share" to defense spending

it's getting there. Key is to get Germany to start acting like the economic world power that it is and muster up it's military.

It's been 100 years since WWI ( and World War II followed from WWI -without WWI there would have been no Hitler)
and it's time for that country to take over the lead role of NATO defense -with the US in partnership -not leading
 
In a Reversal, Germany’s Military Growth Is Met With Western Relief
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/06/world/europe/european-union-germany-army.html?_r=0
You know times have changed when the Germans announce they are expanding their army for the first time in 25 years — and no one objects.

Back when the Berlin Wall fell, Britain and France in particular feared the re-emergence of a German colossus in Europe. By contrast, Berlin’s pledge last month to add almost 7,000 soldiers to its military by 2023, and an earlier announcement to spend up to 130 billion euros, about $148 billion, on new equipment by 2030 were warmly welcomed by NATO allies.

It has taken decades since the horrors of World War II, but Berlin’s modern-day allies and, it seems, German leaders themselves are finally growing more comfortable with the notion that Germany’s role as the European Union’s de facto leader requires a military dimension.

Perhaps none too soon. The United States and others — including many of Germany’s own defense experts — want Germany to do even more for Continental security and to broaden deployments overseas....

Another major task is to convince skeptical Germans, particularly in the east, that NATO is keeping its 1997 bargain with Russia that alliance troops would not be stationed permanently at Russia’s edge.
 
Donald Trump looks at Vladimir Putin and sees himself

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The bromance between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin is the key to understanding the kind of leader Trump wants to be for America.

Throughout his run for the presidency, Trump has had nice things to say about the Russian strongman, precisely because he views Putin as a strong man — not only tough, commanding and ruthless, but a guy with very high popularity numbers.

Putin has characterized Trump as “brilliant” (using a Russian word, by the way, that really means flashy or flamboyant, not super smart). Trump took that as an accolade and said, "It's always a great honor to be so nicely complimented by a man so highly respected within his country and beyond.”

During an NBC candidates’ forum last week, host Matt Lauer questioned Trump about his open admiration for Putin. In response, Trump said, “Well, he does have an 82% approval rating…”

Lauer noted that Putin’s regime has annexed Crimea, invaded Ukraine, supported the brutal dictator Bashar Assad in Syria and engaged in other kinds of troublemaking around the world. Lauer could have added that Putin has crushed dissent in his own country by jailing opponents, silencing and sometimes killing journalists, stifling honest pollsters and creating a vast propaganda machine that has pumped up his image as a strong leader. None of that seems to faze Trump.

“If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him,” Trump told Lauer. “I've already said, he is really very much of a leader. I mean, you can say, 'Oh, isn't that a terrible thing' — the man has very strong control over a country. Now, it's a very different system, and I don't happen to like the system. But certainly, in that system, he's been a leader, far more than our president has been a leader.”
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-putin-trump-20160912-snap-story.html

Stop right there.

There has got to be a awful lot of uncomfortable republicans right now.
 
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