Who needs the UN?

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Who Needs the UN ?

When I was younger I belonged to this awesome gaming club. We tried out every new game we could get our hands on and I was happy to find a group willing to play Arkham Horror and Here I Stand. I didn't even mind bringing more than my fair share of games as I got plenty of fun out of it. Of course life happens and I didn't have time to play as many board games as I wanted anymore so it didn't make sense to keep buying new games for this club.

This is similar to what we are going thru with the UN. Before we begin let us get the facts first. The US pays 22% of the UN general budget and 25% of the peacekeeping budget. While Russia and China both pay less than 3%. It doesn't end here though, various UN agency ask for voluntary contributions from the US as well to supplement their projects. Nobody will really dispute the US pays more than its fair share of the UN.

Is it worth it? As a nationalist I was initially thrilled with the UN. Think about it. We had an international organization that we controlled. We were the only ones who really knew how to use it initially and it enabled us to claim the moral high ground in any activity we chose. We could use the UN to condemn our enemies and use that as propaganda. Did it matter that it was an international organization? Not really. All that mattered is that we could use it to further our national interest. I would have been perfectly happy paying 100% for that UN.

The problem is over time other countries have learned to use the UN to their own advantage. In fact if you look at the UN now most of its time is spent blocking the US and condemning Israel one of our principal allies despite numerous atrocities being done daily all across the world. The UN is being used to pressure countries into taking more and more muslim economic immigrants as well. It is fast becoming a negative rather than a positive.

Should we completely defund the UN? That is a solution, though it would most likely involve us leaving the UN entirely. At the very least we should be paying the same amount as China and Russia and not a penny more. One thing is clear. There is no advantage in funding an organization that is of no benefit to us.

The critique is that the US will be diminished if it pulls out of the UN and will no longer be relevant on the world stage. They have it backwards. The US is the US. It derives its power from being the US not from being part of any organization. In fact the organizations in question whether it be the UN , NATO, or anything else gets more power by having the US as a member. Even if it was not a member of any organization the US would still have 11 carrier battle groups, each with the capability of destroying the entire navy of any other power. Without the UN the US is still the most desirable market in the world, with a population possessing the highest amount of purchasing power. Without the UN the US would still be needed to enforce any ceasefires or humanitarian decrees.

The UN must make itself useful to the US to receive the same level of funding. Being a member is not enough as the UN derives greater value from having the US as a member than the US gets at being a member. If the UN fails at this then we have no reason to support it.
 
Yes, the UN is a waste of money for us unless they lend the appearance of international support for whatever we feel like doing.
They need a uge about face and quick or we should punt them.
 
There will never be another international alliance that we can control like the UN. I say we keep our veto power and simply try to pressure the members to do their job.
 
I'll tell you who needs them, everyone in NYC who can't find a parking space. They NEED the UN to leave immediately
 
Get the U.N. headquarters out of NY and make 'em move to Ankara or Berlin.
 
There will never be another international alliance that we can control like the UN. I say we keep our veto power and simply try to pressure the members to do their job.

this used to be true and why i supported the UN 100% in the past. This is not true anymore however and I dont see any way of getting it back.

Other countries have veto power by only paying 3% of the bill. I dont see why we cant do that. If we still need to pay 22% then it should benefit us more.
 
We can definitely start scaling back our funding. So long as the physical structure remains intact, and we still have our status, that's what is important.
 
Get the U.N. headquarters out of NY and make 'em move to Ankara or Berlin.

How about to the capital city of Mexifornia? It would be a precious gift from We the People. That would add how many new voters to the DNC base?
 
it's a pain in the ass -but as mentioned it is at least a place countries can air their grievances.
They do some peackeeping and outreach to poorer nations.
 
PErsonally i always thought they should move to detroit or another struggling city

Let another country deal with their "diplomatic immunity" crimes. Let them live and work close to the turmoil of the ME, where they will become targets of those they support. Once they are forced into living with "reality", they might change the way they vote. IMO.
 
How about to the capital city of Mexifornia? It would be a precious gift from We the People. That would add how many new voters to the DNC base?

More illegal voters ... just what mexifornia needs.:whoa:
 
Let another country deal with their "diplomatic immunity" crimes. Let them live and work close to the turmoil of the ME, where they will become targets of those they support. Once they are forced into living with "reality", they might change the way they vote. IMO.

Yeah time to relo to Somolia.
 
" the UN is a waste of money for us unless " cg #2
Right.
It's the "unless" that's the issue.

a) The U.N. by and large does the U.S.' bidding.

b) The U.N. is based in NYC. (coincidence?)

c) When President GWB #43 wanted to settle his family vendetta against Saddam, Bush had Secretary of State Powell make a presentation to the U.N. General Assembly.
When JFK presented his "evidence" to the world on the Cuban Missile Crisis, it included PHOTOGRAPHS from U.S. U2 spy planes of Russian missiles on Cuban soil.

d) When GWB's administration presented their casus belli against Iraq, Secretary Powell's visual aids included U.S. government drawings of "mobile WMD labs", tractor trailers.
Drawings! "Artwork"!

Regardless of how bogus Bush's casus belli was, the U.N. approval for the War was legally binding; Bush's fig leaf.
"Time is not on our side. I will not wait on events while dangers gather. I will not stand by as peril draws closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons." U.S. President Bush (the younger) in his State of the Union speech Jan. 29, 2002

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt, that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
U.S. President Bush (the younger) televised address to the U.S. March 17th, 2003

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Their deaths were worse than for nothing; for the U.S. military invasion and occupation of Iraq is the CAUSE of ISIL. ISIL's senior military leadership includes many Saddam / Iraq military leaders; whom the Bush (younger) administration fired.
 
Right.
It's the "unless" that's the issue.

a) The U.N. by and large does the U.S.' bidding.

b) The U.N. is based in NYC. (coincidence?)

c) When President GWB #43 wanted to settle his family vendetta against Saddam, Bush had Secretary of State Powell make a presentation to the U.N. General Assembly.
When JFK presented his "evidence" to the world on the Cuban Missile Crisis, it included PHOTOGRAPHS from U.S. U2 spy planes of Russian missiles on Cuban soil.

d) When GWB's administration presented their casus belli against Iraq, Secretary Powell's visual aids included U.S. government drawings of "mobile WMD labs", tractor trailers.
Drawings! "Artwork"!

Regardless of how bogus Bush's casus belli was, the U.N. approval for the War was legally binding; Bush's fig leaf.


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Their deaths were worse than for nothing; for the U.S. military invasion and occupation of Iraq is the CAUSE of ISIL. ISIL's senior military leadership includes many Saddam / Iraq military leaders; whom the Bush (younger) administration fired.

thats exactly my point. We used to have total control over the UN which is why I supported it. We used it as a cover for some of our moves. We dont have that anymroe so theres no reason to pay 25%
 
"I'm good with Somalia. It's the closest thing to a true Communist government. It would be appropriate and hilarious." Bd #17
a) It would be a gargantuan blunder to conflate the self-defeating Cold War the Soviets lost to the U.S., with the terrorist strife that could be staged against the West in general, and the U.S. in particular, from Somalia.

b) The Soviets had nukes, WMD,

BUT !!

they also wanted to survive. Their charter was perpetuation of the Soviet Union.

c) But the homicidal megalomaniacs sprouting from Islam include the homicidal / suicidal / genocidal.

That's why Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) won't work on them.
"I'm good with Somalia." Bd #17
It could spell the end of the human race.
 
"We dont have that anymroe so theres no reason to pay 25%" t #18
Our per capita proportion of the total budget might make sense, in an ideal world.

BUT !!

There are many nations that are so poor, if they had to pay their own freight @U.N. they wouldn't.

And that would eat into the utility of the U.S. having global approval for our numerous hegemonic exploits around the world.

We're not paying $MORE than our fair share for THEIR benefit. We're doing it for our own.

The alternative is to drop the fig leaf, and be openly acknowledged as the militaristic hegemone that we in fact are.

Do the math!

There are ~28 NATO member nations on Earth.
Not only does the U.S. spend more on military than any other NATO member nation.

The U.S. $spends more on $military than all the other NATO member nations COMBINED!!

The U.S. is not Earth's policeman.

The U.S. is the solar system's vigilante.

The U.N. is merely a fig leaf to provide the superficial appearance of legitimacy.

Who do you think we're kidding?
 
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