Is Donald Trump’s Trade Talk Confusing on Purpose?

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His trade talk completely turns me off but I guess it's possible he's playing chess while we're playing checkers.




Is Donald Trump’s Trade Talk Confusing on Purpose?

Some experts see a strategy for approaching negotiations with China and other countries


During the presidential campaign, Donald Trump threatened across-the-board tariffs on Mexico and China. He also warned he would “break” the North American Free Trade Agreement.

But since he has been elected, he has largely shelved that rhetoric and focused instead on convincing some high-profile companies not to send jobs abroad. His trade advisers have been mostly quiet.

What to make of this?

Some investors and trade experts say the uncertainty about Mr. Trump’s trade plans could give him leverage. Trading partners*may fear the U.S. really would engage in trade war if it doesn’t get its way—but also may have some hope that a Trump administration would be open to a reasonable deal.

“The question is to what extent the new administration is really going to increase protectionism, and to what extend the threat of increasing protectionism is a means to negotiate a new bilateral trade agreement,” said Mitch Zacks, who helps manage $4.8 billion at Zacks Investment Management in Chicago.

Mr. Zacks points out the U.S. is less dependent on exports than other major economies, so—in theory at least—could endure a trade disruption better than most of its big trading partners.

When it comes to China, Mr. Trump has “now created an opportunity for a new style of engagement that’s very different from how both the Obama administration and the Bush administration were dealing with China, which may be a good thing,” said Chad Bown, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, a Washington think tank that backs freer trade.

Perhaps. But others in Washington worry that Mr. Trump could overplay his hand and push too hard. For instance, Chinese officials reacted heatedly when the president-elect linked the delicate strategic issue of Taiwan relations to efforts to deal with China on trade.

For the moment, markets don’t seem too worried about a trade war. The Dow Jones Industrial Average—chock-full of multinationals and importers that would suffer under big tariffs—is up 9.1% since Nov. 7. (On the other hand, U.S. Steel Corp. has jumped 77%, an indication investors expect the industry to be protected from foreign rivals.)

Mr. Trump is getting advice on trade from steel-industry veterans who have successfully brought antidumping suits against China, South Korea and Japan. While those battles have been politically fraught, none has led to widespread trade disruptions.

It’s unclear whether any of those transition officials, who include former Nucor Corp. CEO Dan DiMicco, will become members of the administration. On Wednesday, Mr. Trump appointed vocal China critic Peter Navarro to lead a new National Trade Council at the White House.

It’s possible the mere presence of such officials at the negotiating table could help win concessions from other countries. “It makes it credible when the person probably would like some protectionism,” Mr. Zacks said. Mr. Trump would need to wrap any concessions into an international framework if he wants partner countries to stick with their commitments under future presidents, Mr. Bown said.

The emphasis on leverage and multiple approaches to dealing with adversaries comes straight from Mr. Trump’s book, “The Art of the Deal.”

“The best thing you can do is deal from strength, and leverage is the biggest strength you can have,” Mr. Trump wrote. “I never get too attached to one deal or one approach.”


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What do you expect. He's confused everybody with his lies. He believes them himself. It's gonna be a bitch for everyone if he develops alzheimer's while in office. Oh shit.
 
Orwell would swoon.

Trump talks in metaphor in part to keep himself out of reach of critics.

Trump didn't say he'd battle political corruption and partisan gridlock. He said he'd "drain the swamp".

What the %$#@ does that mean?

Trump voters are CHUMPS !!

It'll be 4 years of this; if we're lucky enough to survive them w/ President Trump's nuclear arsenal expansion policy.
 
It's a wait and see game. Is his deal making good enough for the world stage? Is he a genius or is he something else?
I quit trying to guess with Trump and the public.

I didn't think he'd win the primary or the Presidency so I've basically stopped trying to predict what will happen with him. As far as his trade rhetoric it's possible he's a complete idiot or he's playing a game way above our heads.

Tariffs are a horrible idea and America will be punished in a trade war. If his threats of tariffs result in a better trade deal for the U.S. then it will show why he is where he is and I'm where I am.
 
basically one thing Trump realizes that others dont is the consumer has all the power in a trade relationship.

For instance if there were too be a trade war with China we could easily fill whatever void they have with european, south korean, vietnamese or other products at the same cost. While China who sell us magnitudes more than we sell them cannot find a replacement market that they have not tapped yet.
 
basically one thing Trump realizes that others dont is the consumer has all the power in a trade relationship.

For instance if there were too be a trade war with China we could easily fill whatever void they have with european, south korean, vietnamese or other products at the same cost. While China who sell us magnitudes more than we sell them cannot find a replacement market that they have not tapped yet.
If it's that's simple and no economic pain why haven't we done it yet?
 
But since he has been elected, he has largely shelved that rhetoric and focused instead on convincing some high-profile companies not to send jobs abroad. His trade advisers have been mostly quiet.

What to make of this?

Just because he's gone silent doesn't mean he's changed his mind on anything. China isn't in a good place right now and a little bit of silence may go a long way.
 
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Orwell would swoon.

Trump talks in metaphor in part to keep himself out of reach of critics.

Trump didn't say he'd battle political corruption and partisan gridlock. He said he'd "drain the swamp".

What the %$#@ does that mean?

Trump voters are CHUMPS !!

It'll be 4 years of this; if we're lucky enough to survive them w/ President Trump's nuclear arsenal expansion policy.

Trump doesn't know what a metaphor is.
 
Orwell would swoon.

Trump talks in metaphor in part to keep himself out of reach of critics.

Trump didn't say he'd battle political corruption and partisan gridlock. He said he'd "drain the swamp".

What the %$#@ does that mean?

Trump voters are CHUMPS !!

It'll be 4 years of this; if we're lucky enough to survive them w/ President Trump's nuclear arsenal expansion policy.

Are you and Ralph the same poster? Talk about verbal masturbation about nothing
 
you're ging to get bi-lateral negotiation,and they are gonna work out sticking points.
Don't forget a lot of this was campaign rhetoric -not "policy".

There are going to be intense negotiations..what is more difficult is "re-writing NAFTA", as they are multi-lateral.
The best we might get there is aggressive management of our interests; much like China approached these
 
We have the world's most demanding economy and hold a lot of cards, why shouldn't we have some negotiating on our strengths for the first time in decades. A good deal involves leveraging one strengths.
 
Just because he's gone silent doesn't mean he's changed his mind on anything. China isn't in a good place right now and a little bit of silence may go a long way.

Silence is golden, golden. Who sung that song? Anyway. Maybe Trump will just stay silent the next 4 years. Play golf, corn hole, fish you know...just be a regular guy. Wouldn't that be nice if we never heard much about him again.
 
His trade advisers have been mostly quiet.

What to make of this?
I remember him saying way back that one mistake Obama, Bush, etc. make when negotiating with other countries is that everybody knows what position they are negotiating from and he considers that not only stupid but it breaks a cardinal rule of negotiating to show your cards.
 
I remember him saying way back that one mistake Obama, Bush, etc. make when negotiating with other countries is that everybody knows what position they are negotiating from and he considers that not only stupid but it breaks a cardinal rule of negotiating to show your cards.

He was right, we should guide the conversation leveraging our strengths.
 
Silence is golden, golden. Who sung that song? Anyway. Maybe Trump will just stay silent the next 4 years. Play golf, corn hole, fish you know...just be a regular guy. Wouldn't that be nice if we never heard much about him again.

I don't know but I do know it would be great if we never heard from you again.
 
Silence is golden, golden. Who sung that song? Anyway. Maybe Trump will just stay silent the next 4 years. Play golf, corn hole, fish you know...just be a regular guy. Wouldn't that be nice if we never heard much about him again.
You're such a negative fucker, we get that you hate Trump.

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