USA Security Council abstention condemns neoZionism as illegal

There are territories all around the world that are occupied and will remain so, yet Moonbat says nothing. Kaliningrad, Karelia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Crimea, South Ossetia and Northern Cyprus to name a few.


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Milagro said:
How long before this obnoxious Hamas Humper commits another rule 12 violation?

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Well considering he follows the teachings of a known pedophile, I would say highly likely.

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who is a pedophile.

There were zero redeeming qualities about Mohumud

Soon the world will wake up to the infestation that is islum and exterminate them like the cockroaches they are.
 
moon2012 said:
Your claim to serious discussion ends here, I think.
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How so lol?

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm

There's the map showing the boundaries of the British Mandate for Jewish Palestine. Note that it's much larger than present day Israel and extended well into what are now Arab territories.

Which begs the obvious question of why some of the Arab countries don't chip in some land to the Palestinians? It's easy, really easy, to get the idea the Palestinian's Arab neighbors don't give a crap about them.

Additionally, Hamas and co are quibbling over a measely bit of *disputed* territory with Israel when Jordan [for ex.] could give them double what they are trying to take from Israel.

Makes no sense---unless there's another agenda at work here.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
How so lol?

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm

There's the map showing the boundaries of the British Mandate for Jewish Palestine. Note that it's much larger than present day Israel and extended well into what are now Arab territories.
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I can see now how you've become confused. You have posted a ' map ' of Palestine. That isn't a map of any proposed Jewish homeland, it's a ' map' of the country wherein any Jewish homeland could be located. Understandable mistake- no need to apologize.

For the avoidance of any doubt- here is the actual map of British mandated Palestine as partitioned by UNGAR 181 in 1947 to provide discreet territories for both European refugee Jews and indigenous Palestinians;

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As is clear from the map- the area ascribed to the indigenous Palestinians is smaller than the other- even though it was the Palestinians' country which was being divided. Arab states opposed it- but it was passed anyway- and that's how the dumb British brought down today's Middle East wars upon us all.
 
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moon2012 said:
I can see now how you've become confused. You have posted a ' map ' of Palestine. That isn't a map of any proposed Jewish homeland, it's a ' map' of the country wherein any Jewish homeland could be located. Understandable mistake- no need to apologize.

For the avoidance of any doubt- here is the actual map of British mandated Palestine as partitioned by UNGAR 181 in 1947 to provide discreet territories for both European refugee Jews and indigenous Palestinians;

345px-UN_Palestine_Partition_Versions_1947.jpg


As is clear from the map- the area ascribed to the indigenous Palestinians is smaller than the other- even though it was the Palestinians' country which was being divided. Arab states opposed it- but it was passed anyway- and that's how the dumb British brought down today's Middle East wars upon us all.
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they lost their right to it when they went to war and lost. Twice. :)
 
tsuke said:
sure. they lost significant portions of that as well as any colonies. Wars matter :)
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Are you saying that defeat meant that Germans lost their right to Germany ? Or are you just saying that Palestinians who lost forfeit their right to Palestine ?

Are you yet aware that taking territory by force is inadmissible under law since post-WW2 ?
 
moon2012 said:
Are you saying that defeat meant that Germans lost their right to Germany ? Or are you just saying that Palestinians who lost forfeit their right to Palestine ?

Are you yet aware that taking territory by force is inadmissible under law since post-WW2 ?
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they did. remember germany was divided into 2 different control areas by the US and USSR.

They were given back the land by the mercy of the conquerors. Now Palestine could be given back the land by the mercy of the victors but victors arent required to show mercy.
 
tsuke said:
they did. remember germany was divided into 2 different control areas by the US and USSR.

They were given back the land by the mercy of the conquerors. Now Palestine could be given back the land by the mercy of the victors but victors arent required to show mercy.
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Are you yet aware that taking territory by force is inadmissible under law since post-WW2 ?
 
moon2012 said:
Are you yet aware that taking territory by force is inadmissible under law since post-WW2 ?
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law shmaw. International law is only there for those who are too weak to be bound by it :) If there were truly international law to that effect the UN would have sent troops to enforce it.

But no there are two different "interpretations' or whatever.

Palestinians tried winning by force of arms twice and it ended in abject failure. They are now trying to win by force of tears.
 
moon2012 said:
You mean like some form of ..er..' leak' from the sailors actually onboard ?

let's review a few;


http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.pdf

http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm

"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous "
-- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ussliberty.html

“Those men were then betrayed and left to die by our own government.” The survivors are still awaiting justice. "

Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer,

The rage is still palpable, sailor. The Israelis murdered the US servicemen.
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Just pointing out the fact that naval inquiry and other investigations prove otherwise. I certainly am not a fan of dead sailors for any reason obviously. Memories under attack are not always reliable. That whole shit or go blind thing.
 
Sailor said:
Just pointing out the fact that naval inquiry and other investigations prove otherwise. I certainly am not a fan of dead sailors for any reason obviously. Memories under attack are not always reliable. That whole shit or go blind thing.
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If I was under attack I'd remember every millisecond with brilliant clarity.
Besides, if nobody's recollections can be relied upon then how could any official enquiry come to the conclusion that the attack was ' a mistake ' ? Yet you are willing to accept the findings as ' proof ' ?
 
moon2012 said:
I can't follow your reasoning and your anti-law bias obliterates any potential for discussion.
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the discussion is the palestinians and other arabs tried to take it and failed. :)

why should israel have to give back land it won in a defensive war?
 
moon2012 said:
If I was under attack I'd remember every millisecond with brilliant clarity.
Besides, if nobody's recollections can be relied upon then how could any official enquiry come to the conclusion that the attack was ' a mistake ' ? Yet you are willing to accept the findings as ' proof ' ?
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Not onboard a ship you would not. To much going on. As far as recollections and mistaken identity, there are teletype and radio transmission recordings. From the ships, planes and boats and everyone involved in this incident. "Proof" as you point out is the best available reliable information. That is how inquiries are performed and updated as necessary over time if new more reliable information comes to light. Anything else is just conjecture.
 
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Even if I was in a jet with a missile locked on. That's human nature. I have no idea who these forgetful sailors of yours could be.
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There is a big difference between forgetful and ones memory impaired by a stressful situation. Lets clarify that right off the bat. Then there is the actual teletype and radio transmission recordings. What really happened. Listened too and analyzed after the incident. Your jet analogy is one man, one alarm, heightened senses, plenty of technology to tell you what to do. Much different than a mob scene or riot.
 
Sailor said:
There is a big difference between forgetful and ones memory impaired by a stressful situation. Lets clarify that right off the bat. Then there is the actual teletype and radio transmission recordings. What really happened. Listened too and analyzed after the incident. Your jet analogy is one man, one alarm, heightened senses, plenty of technology to tell you what to do. Much different than a mob scene or riot.
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It appears that evidence of transmissions damns the suggestion of ' accident'.

https://sites.google.com/site/usslibertyinquiry/jammingsound

Radio jamming


http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/files/TribuneArticle_2013.pdf

Released documents


Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.ulties

Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm


Of course, we are in no position to hold our own enquiry here. According to the evidence I've seen online, along with the testimonies of survivors, the Israelis are as guilty as hell. If you want to believe the ' official ' propaganda and impugn the faculties of the sailors involved then that's your call.
 
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moon2012 said:
It appears that evidence of transmissions damns the suggestion of ' accident'.

https://sites.google.com/site/usslibertyinquiry/jammingsound

Radio jamming


http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/files/TribuneArticle_2013.pdf

Released documents


Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm
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Rense? Come on. Either post real reliable data to back up your argument or just do not bother to argue the point. Rense certainly would not hold up in any court of law or inquiry. I am interested in your views on these matters though. Have to go for a while however hope to continue this discussion. And thanks by the way for the discussion.
 
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