Are the democrats finally done whining?

Bigdog said:
LBJ, FDR, Woodrow, Truman, JFK, Obama all got elected because they promised to keep us out of war.

LBJ created a quagmire that Nixon got us out of the best he could. And Nixon ended the draft. Not exactly the marks of a warpig when you end the socialist democrats' war and end the draft.
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nixon promised to pull the plug, albeit with some "secret plans " to do so. Never happened.

Don't tell me about Nixon- I used to circulate underground papers in Balto ( Harry)/ I was at a few demonstrations.
In this case being a first person anti-war student I feel it in my bones without having to look it up.
You are barking up the wrong tree giving Nixon any quarter whatsover.

I take your finer point on "socialists" but not Nixon. You are dead wrong. emphasis on the wasted deaths
 
sear said:
Well Bd & a #15,

I thought the U.S. had military involvement in Southeast Asia during the JFK administration.
I understand LBJ / Westmoreland escalated.
And I surely couldn't endorse LBJ's approach.

Further, Nixon may have been the most treacherous U.S. president in history.
He won the '68 campaign on a promise to implement his "secret plan" to end U.S. involvement in the Vietnam war.
In '72 Nixon ran for re-election on premise that he was in process of implementing his "secret plan" but that it wasn't finished yet. And that those that wanted the U.S. out of the Vietnam War had to re-elect him, or he wouldn't be able to complete it.

Nixon won re-election in a landslide; but never completed his presidential term. He's the only U.S. president to have resigned in disgrace, AFTER his VP (Spiro Agnew) also left office due to separate scandal.

What a team!
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We can track the first U.S. involvement back to Truman giving financial aid to support their military. Ike escalated by secretly sending 900 SF to help train. JFK put secrecy aside and sent 16,000 troops.

LBJ was the real architect of the Vietnam war.

Nixon did some really awesome things in addition to his ending the Vietnam War, ending the Draft, and creating the EPA.

Vietnam was a quagmire.
 
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Micawber said:
Characterization rejected. Democrats will justifiably oppose this president for myriad reasons, on issue by issue basis. They will also question the legitimacy of the undemocratic process that disadvantages and devalues democrat votes, from the electoral college system to enemy foreign government interference by hacking to support the candidate they know is least qualified, internally disruptive and destabilizing.
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Serious TARD affliction with the usual double standard.

You really wanted the crooked Queen who arranged the sale of 20% of America's uranium to an enemy foreign gubment fer cash green dollars while Secretary of State... burp...
 
"LBJ was the real architect of the Vietnam war." #23
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But not the initiator.
"Nixon did some really awesome things in addition to his ending the Vietnam War, ending the Draft, and creating the EPA."
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And connecting w/ Chairman Mao.

I noticed.

But whatever good Nixon might be perceived to have done does not negate those he sent to their needless deaths because he strung the War out for 4 full years; to leverage that hideous abortion of War for yet another Nixon electoral victory.

I know of no U.S. president that was more ruthless, more willing to sacrifice others for the benefit of himself than U.S. President Richard Milhous Nixon.
"Honor means sacrificing yourself for the benefit of others.
Dishonor means sacrificing others for the benefit of yourself."
Lanny Davis, Special Counsel to President Clinton
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I've scraped %$#@ off the sole of my shoe more respectable than Richard M. Nixon.
 
Complaining about a fascist constitution preventing democratic verdicts is hardly 'whining', surely? More deeply justified criticism?
 
sear said:
But not the initiator.

And connecting w/ Chairman Mao.

I noticed.



But whatever good Nixon might be perceived to have done does not negate those he sent to their needless deaths because he strung the War out for 4 full years; to leverage that hideous abortion of War for yet another Nixon electoral victory.

I know of no U.S. president that was more ruthless, more willing to sacrifice others for the benefit of himself than U.S. President Richard Milhous Nixon.

I've scraped %$#@ off the sole of my shoe more respectable than Richard M. Nixon.
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You are attributing motives that are un-proveable.
 
" Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
But not the initiator.

And connecting w/ Chairman Mao.

I noticed.

But whatever good Nixon might be perceived to have done does not negate those he sent to their needless deaths because he strung the War out for 4 full years; to leverage that hideous abortion of War for yet another Nixon electoral victory.

I know of no U.S. president that was more ruthless, more willing to sacrifice others for the benefit of himself than U.S. President Richard Milhous Nixon.

I've scraped %$#@ off the sole of my shoe more respectable than Richard M. Nixon." sear

"You are attributing motives that are un-proveable." Bd
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No.
I'm reporting historic fact which is indisputable.
 
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