Where are the stand your ground gun nuts?

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"CRY HARDER" U9 #56

"Cry" your word, is not a synonym for disclose. Please learn the language, & develop an interest in validity.
Your post indicates a lack of both.

"block the school boy's path to refuge - DIDN'T HAPPEN

The proof that it did is in Z's own report to police dispatch.
I'll quote the PROOF that Zimmerman said it did. Why would he lie against his own best interest?

Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got
something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does
anything else.
Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. ...

you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. Shit he's running.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Fact #1
Zimmerman, a COP wannabe that was rejected, presumed the mantle of Neighborhood Watch.org BUT !! violated multiple Neighborhood Watch written standards.
You can review those in their entirety here: http://www.usaonwatch.org/

"force a confrontation which inevitably turned violent - DIDN'T HAPPEN"

The proof that it happened is in Zimmerman's own words, recorded by Sanford Police Dispatch.

"Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok

By saying "OK" Zimmerman lied to the police, leading to believe he was not closing on the school boy that ZIMMERMAN said was running away.

Here's a map of the paths of the two primaries.

In context of the timeline of Zimmerman's report to police, we can see the confrontation Zimmerman forced happened shortly after Zimmerman lied about complied with the non-pursuit standard.

"in violation of both police dispatch guidance - DIDN'T HAPPEN "

I'll quote both dispatch, and Zimmerman's words.

"Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok

BUT !!
Zimmerman ALSO violated multiple Neighborhood Watch standards:
- don't work alone
- don't carry deadly weapons
- and the non-pursuit standard as well.

"CRY HARDER"
DIDN'T HAPPEN
DIDN'T HAPPEN
DIDN'T HAPPEN" U9 #56

Don't you EVER tire of being wrong?

It appears you've got a perfect record here; 100% wrong on every single point.

Don't worry. I have no immediate plans to inform your parole officer.
But if the warden ever finds out ...

#57
Please see above.

Thank you.

 

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Now I have never hid my views that gun fetishist are people missing a few chromosomes who should be thrown screaming from a helicopter. Oh not because I don't believe in guns. I'm not against guns. Hell I'm not even against people shooting each other. It's the American way. I honestly don't care who gets shot. Parents, school teachers, kids, fuckem. Let them get shot. Doesn't bother me.

But the whining hypocrisy of gun fetishist does. They made a national hero out of a needle dick loser like Zimmerman for shooting a defenseless black kid. Hey the little fucker was wearing a hoody and was armed with skittles. He obviously deserved to be shot.

But where are the gun fetishist now during the Will Smith murder trial? Why aren't they making a hero out of Cardell Hayes. He's hiding behind "Stand your ground laws" like needle dick Zimmerman did. Hell Hayes shot an unarmed black man too....shouldn't that make him a hero like Zimmerman to the gun fetishist?

Why aren't Zimmerman worshipers like Grind not picking the peanuts out of his shit too? Where the fuck is Wayne LaPierre and why isn't he screaming bloody murder about this violation of Cardell Hayes gun rights? Could it be because Cardell Hayes is black too?

Oh no it couldn't possibly be that!

Shit like this is why gun fetishist give me the creeps. They're like the dirty old man in a trench coat standing outside a Convent. They just give me the willies.

oh...in case some of you NRA Gun fetishist want to get a woody...here's a link for you.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-murder-trial-rests-case-fourth-day-testimony

will smith murder trial what the fuck??

 

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This is the first I heard about this case and thus I don't know enough to comment on it. I was an expert on the zimmerman case and knew every witness, every moment of that night down to the minute, knew zimmerman's true story, knew about trayvon's violence etc.

I grazed the article but can't stake out on one side or the other because I only have very cursory knowledge.

It's also important to note that while stand your ground is something everyone talked about, it was not used as his defense. His defense was standard self defense, the same exact law you would find in a state such as massachusetts. The question of zimmerman retreating is immaterial because he was being grounded and pounded when he rightfully shot trayvon martin. Stand your ground is irrelevant as it says that if you can retreat, you don't have to. Zimmerman couldn't retreat anyway so the question is moot.

As to the racial element that you bring up in your OP, that wasn't the gun nuts doing, that was the biased media deliberately manipulating the situation and almost fucking a innocent many over for ratings. They deliberately spliced his audio to make it into a race thing when it wasn't. It was the biased media that made this into a race issue.

So in conclusion, if I were more informed I would give you an answer, but as I said, I don't know jack about this case, and unlike most people on JPP, I don't try to speak with authority on things I am not familiar with.

 

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assumed path according to who? Your image is completely wrong. Zimmerman took the path of the black arrows. He literally was talking to the police about walking through the throughway to get the street address from the road on the other side. Trayvon was long gone at that point, probably near his fathers house, and then charged at zimmerman running up that sidewalk once zimmerman was done looking for the address.

 

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It would be a great story if any of it were true. Allow me to give you the facts

Teenage negro thug wannabe gets suspended from school for drug possession. Parents aren't together which is a harbinger for bad outcomes. Negro teenager hopped up on a concoction of Skittles, Arizona Iced Tea and Robitussin DM that is called Lean. He assaults a neighborhood watchman doing his job and is now at room temperature

Those are the facts. Not the fake news you have accepted

he's actually colder than room temperature, as he is now a spooky skeleton in the cold dark ground.

Of course there also is the chance he's much hotter than room temperature due to burning in hell for his misdeeds.

 

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#64

I wasn't there.
Were you?
My assessment can't be any better than my info. feed.
If the 911 transcript is bogus, I wouldn't know. Perhaps Zim is the ideal boy scout, a perfect choir boy.
I doubt it.

"These assholes they always get away. ...
Shit he's running."

Unlike any choir boy I've ever met.

Now:
On Zim's report to police that after, according to Zim:

"Yup, he's coming to check me out"

Zim subsequently disclosed:

"Shit he's running." Zim

My theory of the crime is:
a) Z night-stalked TM, and TM noticed.

b) TM approached; not to confront, but to verify.

c) Once the night-stalker was confirmed, TM (according to Z) ran.

d) I doubt TM just decided to run a marathon.
TM understood that his adult night-stalker was using visual surveillance.
Obviously then, running behind a building would obstruct the night-stalker's view, and TM then reasoned he'd be safe from the surveillance;
not counting on the fact that Z would run swiftly enough for the police dispatch operator to deduce Z was running, just by the auditory input from the telephone, to block TM's path to refuge.

We KNOW by Z's own report to police TM ran to AVOID a confrontation.
We ALSO know Z confessed to police he was pursuing TM to force a confrontation.
And corpus delicti, we also know that violent confrontation did indeed take place, though TM obviously tried to avoid it, and Z forced it.

After you study crime scenes a while, you'd get a better sense of what happened here. But this blame the victim nonsense is conspicuous lunacy.

 

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And yours never are

Sure about that liar?

 

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Fuck rules...

You would think that, fucktard.

 

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#64

I wasn't there.
Were you?

well luckily we have a way or sorting this type of stuff out. See, we get a bunch of experts and people familiar with the circumstances and we put them all in a room, and then arguments from both sides are heard, and then people from the community who are agreed upon by both sides to be "finders of fact" weigh in on the matter. Seems they took my side of the story, not yours. Suck it.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I still think gun nuts are people missing a few chromosomes who should be thrown screaming from a helicopter.

Then again I feel that way about cat people and old women who balance their checkbook in the express lane checkout.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

well luckily we have a way or sorting this type of stuff out. See, we get a bunch of experts and people familiar with the circumstances and we put them all in a room, and then arguments from both sides are heard, and then people from the community who are agreed upon by both sides to be "finders of fact" weigh in on the matter. Seems they took my side of the story, not yours. Suck it.

yes but if we disagreed then I could stand my ground and shoot your ass...agreed?

 

[sear]

"well luckily we have a way or sorting this type of stuff out. See, we get a bunch of experts and people familiar with the circumstances and we put them all in a room, and then arguments from both sides are heard, and then people from the community who are agreed upon by both sides to be "finders of fact" weigh in on the matter. Seems they took my side of the story, not yours." MM #69

ok
So you think you can struggle like a champion to ridicule what has not been refuted here; observe it is how the jury ruled; and thereby ...? What? Prove something?

You have proved nothing. Your #69 barely rises to the level of contradiction, and a rude one at that.

Now that you've established stating the obvious as an acceptable standard for this thread, I'll state what should be obvious but seems not to be understood by you:

Know it or not, believe it or not, like it or not, admit it or not; juries are not infallible.

So either you're so ill-informed you didn't know that. Or you're so corrupt that you knew; but pretended the contrary.

I'm aware of the ruling in this case. Are YOU aware of how badly prosecuted it was? By law the State is obliged to meet its burden. In reality that doesn't make Trayvon Martin guilty. And it doesn't make Zimmerman innocent. Instead, Trayvon Martin is dead, and Zimmerman was found "not guilty". Perhaps that distinction is lost on you.

In any case, while Trayvon Martin was no choir boy either; to my knowledge his record was not as bad as Zimmerman's is. Zimmerman has quite a rap sheet. It makes "interesting" reading. And it will supply the informed reader with practical insight into Zimmerman's behavior profile.

 

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PS

For those that would like to review an in depth study of how prosecutions can be mishandled, how juries can fail, how court rulings can go wrong, at 1:AM Wednesday some PBS affiliates will be broadcasting a 2 hr. documentary movie titled The Central Park Five. I haven't seen it. But I caught news of that case as it unfolded. I'm guessing it's about "the Central Park jogger" incident, and those accused of having harmed her.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

PS

For those that would like to review an in depth study of how prosecutions can be mishandled, how juries can fail, how court rulings can go wrong, at 1:AM Wednesday some PBS affiliates will be broadcasting a 2 hr. documentary movie titled The Central Park Five. I haven't seen it. But I caught news of that case as it unfolded. I'm guessing it's about "the Central Park jogger" incident, and those accused of having harmed her.

Can you cry any harder, about Zimmerman??

 

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#74

Can you post a relevant, rational comment on the TOPIC, instead of fantasy ad hom about me?

If you genuinely don't know how to structure a fundamental rebuttal, I can guide your beginner study in the right direction.

 

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#74

Can you post a relevant, rational comment on the TOPIC, instead of fantasy ad hom about me?

If you genuinely don't know how to structure a fundamental rebuttal, I can guide your beginner study in the right direction.

Can you try posting FACTUAL information, instead of just your feelings, when you attempt to bring up a subject matter that has been discussed before and proven that the person is and was not guilty?

OH, I almost forgot.
Can you at least make a rudimentary attempt at using the simplest of features on JPP and that would be the quote button?

 

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"Can you try posting FACTUAL information, instead of just your feelings" #76

"Feelings"?!
I invite, I challenge you to quote "feelings" I've posted. FYI "Feelings" denotes emotion.
My posts have included numerous quotations from an as yet unchallenged URL of the 911 / police dispatch transcript of Z's communication w/ the Sanford PD.

"Can you try posting FACTUAL information, instead of just your feelings" #76

Have you considered making your comedy talents available to the Jimmy Fallon comedy writing staff? It could be a financial bonanza for you.

"when you attempt to bring up a subject matter that has been discussed before and proven that the person is and was not guilty?"

"Proven"
Please define "proven".

Zimmerman has NEVER been "proven" not guilty.

Zimmerman was RULED not guilty, in a trial that has been acknowledged as botched by the prosecution.
And that could have been reversed, were it not for our 18th Century 5th Amendment protection from double jeopardy. That's a protection I've sworn an oath to defend.
I'm not attacking the Constitutional protection.
I'm defending the truth.

NO WONDER you don't understand it!

OH, I almost forgot.
Can you at least make a rudimentary attempt at using the simplest of features on JPP and that would be the quote button?

Yes.
I can, and as you can see in this post, have done so AGAIN.
Thanks for asking.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

"Feelings"?!
I invite, I challenge you to quote "feelings" I've posted. FYI "Feelings" denotes emotion.
My posts have included numerous quotations from an as yet unchallenged URL of the 911 / police dispatch transcript of Z's communication w/ the Sanford PD.

Have you considered making your comedy talents available to the Jimmy Fallon comedy writing staff? It could be a financial bonanza for you.

"Proven"
Please define "proven".

Zimmerman has NEVER been "proven" not guilty.

Zimmerman was RULED not guilty, in a trial that has been acknowledged as botched by the prosecution.
And that could have been reversed, were it not for our 18th Century 5th Amendment protection from double jeopardy. That's a protection I've sworn an oath to defend.
I'm not attacking the Constitutional protection.
I'm defending the truth.

NO WONDER you don't understand it!

Yes.
I can, and as you can see in this post, have done so AGAIN.
Thanks for asking.

You posted your "feelings"; when you chose to try and luse proven lies, as facts.

I do believe that a verdict of not guilty, is proof; even in when viewed from your safe place.

I am glad that I was able to shame you into finally utilizing the quote feature.

 

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#74

Can you post a relevant, rational comment on the TOPIC, instead of fantasy ad hom about me?

If you genuinely don't know how to structure a fundamental rebuttal, I can guide your beginner study in the right direction.

Trayvon = dead
Zimmerman = national hero

Case closed. It is as it was meant to be despite your delusions

 

[sear]

"Trayvon = dead
Zimmerman = national hero" DW

Thank you for sharing your feelings.

"your delusions"

oh
"Delusions".
You mean like:

Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

and

http://www.usaonwatch.org/

Perhaps I should share yet another "delusion".

18 USC § 2261A - Stalking

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2261A

For those not intelligent enough to put one and one together, this is the law Zimmerman violated when he night-stalked the school boy that was strolling back from the candy store before Zimmerman blocked, and then shot the unarmed boy dead.

Yup! The word used was "delusion".

I know.
Good stuff.