alt right wins in Italy! Are we tired of winning yet?

It's definitely an "Empire Strikes Back" year.

But we all know that it ends with freedom, progressivism prevailing and muppets dancing.
 
Thing1 said:
It's definitely an "Empire Strikes Back" year.

But we all know that it ends with freedom, progressivism prevailing and muppets dancing.
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Foreign observers fear that if Grillo comes to power in an early election, he'll call a referendum to scrap the euro, go back to the Italian lira, and perhaps even follow Britain out of the European Union.
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i wonder if they could go back to a Common Market without the EU?
 
Honestly - and I don't mean to sound patronizing - but it definitely feels like the stupids have taken over.

It's a bummer for the intelligent.
 
anatta said:
i wonder if they could go back to a Common Market without the EU?
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im not sure about the EU though i do think germany left greece and italy out to die during this refugee crisis. The euro however has been disastrously bad for the weaker european economies and i dont see how you can make a case otherwise. aving control over its own currency can only help italy.
 
tsuke said:
im not sure about the EU though i do think germany left greece and italy out to die during this refugee crisis. The euro however has been disastrously bad for the weaker european economies and i dont see how you can make a case otherwise. aving control over its own currency can only help italy.
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Thing1 said:
Honestly - and I don't mean to sound patronizing - but it definitely feels like the stupids have taken over.

It's a bummer for the intelligent.
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you've been wrong on EVERYTHING you chump. All your conventional wisdom is out the window. Maybe sit and learn a little.
 
Mr. Meeseeks said:
you've been wrong on EVERYTHING you chump. All your conventional wisdom is out the window. Maybe sit and learn a little.
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I haven't been wrong on anything. You just make up whatever you want.

And what have you been right on, exactly? That Hillary might win, but Trump might too?
 
Thing1 said:
I haven't been wrong on anything. You just make up whatever you want.

And what have you been right on, exactly? That Hillary might win, but Trump might too?
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with regards to foreign policy your common mistake is that america is too weak and its enemies too strong therefore america cannot do anything.

Obama shared your mistake so he was held with such contempt that they didnt even bother greeting his plane in china.
 
tsuke said:
with regards to foreign policy your common mistake is that america is too weak and its enemies too strong therefore america cannot do anything.

Obama shared your mistake so he was held with such contempt that they didnt even bother greeting his plane in china.
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We are weak economically, and China is strong economically. We owe them more than we'll ever be able to pay, and continue to borrow.

Did you not know that?
 
you were wrong on taco bowl being a big deal, it wasn't. You wrong were on the mexican judge comments being the end, they weren't. You were wrong that most republicans wouldn't come home (they did), you were wrong that someone that made trumps pussy comments couldn't be elected (they can be), you said there was absolutely no way trump could be president even on november 5th when he had about a 30% chance of winning. (he got elected) You thought an outlier poll about texas was interesting when trump was actually 85%+ to win the state, and trump did end up winning it easily.

I have been right on all of the above, I have also been right on the fact that minorities would not turn out at obama levels, I predicted many times that independents would not break for hillary clinton and they were trumps to gain.

I also talked about how this election was different from obama v. romney because it was much more chaotic and had a higher degree of volatility. Something everyone on this board ignored and responded to me with "Durrrrrr 'member romney by 5?"

Saying trump can't win when he's 30% to win is RETARDED, and that's the level of analysis you have had all year. You were retarded. You are in no position to judge what is a stupid thought or not. Get something right for a change and then we'll talk.
 
Mr. Meeseeks said:
you were wrong on taco bowl being a big deal, it wasn't. You wrong were on the mexican judge comments being the end, they weren't. You were wrong that most republicans wouldn't come home (they did), you were wrong that someone that made trumps pussy comments could be elected (he did), you said there was absolutely no way trump could be president even on november 5th when he had about a 30% chance of winning. (he got elected) You thought texas was in play when it actually was 85%+ to go for trump, and trump won it easily.

I have been right on all of the above, I have also been right on the fact that minorities would not turn out at obama levels, I predicted many times that independents would not break for hillary clinton and they were trumps to gain.

Saying trump can't win when he's 30% to win is RETARDED, and that's the level of analysis you have had all year. You were retarded. You are in no position to judge what is a stupid thought or not. Get something right for a change and then we'll talk.
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I said as soon as the Comey letter came out that he cost Hillary the election. All of those things you mention above DID swing voters toward Hillary, but the letter was the final straw for a lot of them. I called that.

Yeah, toward the end of the week, I was back to thinking Hillary would win - but only because I was surprised to see the polls, which ended up being pretty correct nationally, hadn't swung more toward Trump with that huge October surprise.

And again, you offered nothing but "well, both have a chance to win." You prize your analysis, but cower from prediction. The guys on NFL Today could say, "well, any given Sunday and all - really, both teams have a chance." But viewers want to know what they'd predict anyway, so they take their shot.
 
Thing1 said:
I said as soon as the Comey letter came out that he cost Hillary the election.
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and then 3 days before the election you took it back you tard. You said "wait nope nevermind, no way."

You literally renounced your former comey post in your Nov. 5th post.

And again, you offered nothing but "well, both have a chance to win." You prize your analysis, but cower from prediction.
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First I offered many things beyond just "trump has a chance." I outlined the many reasons why.. i.e. volatility, undecideds, lower minority turnout, hispanics stuff not being as big of a deal as you thought, hispanics being concentrated mostly in non-swing states, etc, you just skipped over them above.

Secondly, I don't care about "predictions" which is something you ROUTINELY keep missing. I have said over and over and over again my problem was with your retarded level of analysis. Sorry but when you throw 30% out the window, you are dumb. I spent a lot of time on this board trying to get people to understand that 30% is not a low number. It's a common problem - the vast majority of the public does not understand probability. I urge you to go to this site:

http://iop.harvard.edu/get-inspired...ference/campaign-president-managers-look-2016

Scroll down and look for the nate silver interview. It's 17 minutes long. Towards the end of the interview the interviewer tried conflating nate predicting clinton as an "overwhelming favorite" with other media's predictions and nate had to step in and say..."uh no, 70% is NOT an overwhelming favorite"...the point being, this is widespread ignorance of statistics and probability where people simply cannot conceptually understand what 30% means in their daily lives. I suspect many on here, including yourself, suffer from this. I talked about this often on here only to be ignored. I said his chances of winning were higher than the cubs coming back down 3-1.. ignored again.

I have no issue with someone saying clinton was the favorite, that was the correct analysis. The problem is you couldn't even do that. YOu ahd to say it was literally impossible for trump to win, IN SPITE of the evidence to the contrary.

So when you ignore easy to understand evidence and you keep making bold predictions that fall flat on their face, and then you KEEP DOING IT, you've gone crazy. It's that simple.
 
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