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anatta said:
The Embargo caused a lot of this if we are going to assess blame. Batista wasn't just "brutal" -he kept the populace poor with his oligarch rule .

Which is not to make any excuses for Castro's excesses. I think the US and Castro could have long ago settled their differences.
Amazingly that idiotic Embargo lives on to this day.
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Rune said:
India is only a success in your mind
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It is a success, the country with over a billion people is a functioning democracy. When you consider how many different religions, cultures, languages and ethnicities there are it is a miracle it works at all. Compare that with China. Mao killed upwards of 30 million of his own people and it is still a communist state.
 
Milagro said:
It is a success, the country with over a billion people is a functioning democracy. When you consider how many different religions, cultures, languages and ethnicities there are it is a miracle it works at all. Compare that with China. Mao killed upwards of 30 million of his own people and it is still a communist state.
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Are there less than 30 million undesirables in India? Do their votes count?
 
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Milagro said:
It is a success, the country with over a billion people is a functioning democracy. When you consider how many different religions, cultures, languages and ethnicities there are it is a miracle it works at all. Compare that with China. Mao killed upwards of 30 million of his own people and it is still a communist state.
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Where the elite live like kings and allow the workers to be paid less than 6K per year.....even the self professed communists are establishing crony elements of capitalism once they realize that its impossible for all the citizens to share equally with INCOME REDISTRIBUTION. There are many Billionaires in China.....but the majority of the populations lives in poverty.

Communism can't work....corruption at the top always spells "REVOLUTION"...given enough time. Just look at history actual's most recent example....the fall of the USSR. The elite was taking the majority of the wealth and placing it into military defense in order to keep up with the US....eventually they could not out spend the US and the system collapsed. Communist China is doing nothing but stealing ideas from the western capitalists while pumping out pollution at record levels, acting anything but HUMAN to its own population....yet its touted a success by the leftist wan-a-bees in the west? Really? Can anyone spell HYPOCRISY?
 
Milagro said:
How can you blame the British for the caste system? That had been around for thousands of years. It was the British, I might remind you, that made sati illegal.

In answer to your question Dalit votes most certainly count, read this and learn.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ste-votes-as-india-s-biggest-state-poll-looms



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With the power GB once held over India the caste system could have been destroyed.
Their are 160 million untouchables out of a billion or so Indians..do their votes count?
If not India is no democracy.
The hallmark of Democracy is equality.
 
The Only Sarge said:
I thought about you the other day. I was flipping around the old tv channels and stopped on this Kardashean (sp?) bullshit show. They were going to Cuba to a fashion show. So that caught my attention. Spoiled rotten little rich kids getting their asses kissed in this hotel and bitching about how "backwards" everything was and no internet blah blah blah. I just hope and pray the Cuban people strive to grow their technology/medical et al industries and dont fall back into a servant industry. It will all depend on investments and which type of investments are solicited from Cuba. Thoughts?
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Agreed. It will take investments, but those investments should and will come from more nations than just the US.
 
Rune said:
With the power GB once held over India the caste system could have been destroyed.
Their are 160 million untouchables out of a billion or so Indians..do their votes count?
If not India is no democracy.
The hallmark of Democracy is equality.
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K. R. Narayanan became India's first Dalit president in 1997. Dalits are still looked down on but then that is slowly changing.



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anatta said:
I agree with this.
US paranoia kept the Embargo going far too long -to this day it's still on. Cuba was a handy foil for US politicians to bash.
If we had reached out..long after JFK but before Obama..we could have settled our differences.
I'm not happy about Castro's political prisoners -but we deal with China/Russia/Iran (etc) who do far worse.

None of that was any reason to punish Cuba long after it served any real purpose.
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but we deal with China/Russia/Iran (etc) who do far worse.

BINGO !!!

Very well said.
 
GB couldn't "destroy" the caste system..It's too much a part of India's society.
India resented the Brits for just being there -and they were supposed to do social engineering too?
 
"The US is the biggest jailer on planet earth .. BY FAR. We lock up people for profit.

Oppressive regime?" #188
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I've read anecdotes like that, but they were a bit more artfully worded; more like:

The United States has the highest per capita population under criminal justice supervision* in the Western world.

And yes. Martial oppression. There's more to it than Drug War. But Drug War is a major component of it.
Waging War against the People is a bad idea.

Ironically, though some do profit from Drug War, government could make even more money from the POWs without locking them up.
The ones that have to make up the shortfall are you and me.

* This includes not only jail and prison populations, but also parolees, and those with ankle monitors, akin to house arrest, etc.
 
blackascoal said:
The US is the biggest jailer on planet earth .. BY FAR. We lock up people for profit.

Oppressive regime?
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No shit. We count them though. Brazil doesnt keep records. Prison reform is much more than just "pardons". We need culture reform. Then prison/sentencing reform.
 
anatta said:
GB couldn't "destroy" the caste system..It's too much a part of India's society.
India resented the Brits for just being there -and they were supposed to do social engineering too?
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It is sobering to note that there was only a quarter of a million British administrators, soldiers etc to control a population of four hundred million in the 19th century. If they had tried to change the caste system there would have been unbridled violence, as it was too well entrenched.

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Milagro said:
It is sobering to note that there was only a quarter of a million British administrators, soldiers etc to control a population of four hundred million in the 19th century. If they had tried to change the caste system there would have been unbridled violence, as it was too well entrenched.

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Hey it kind of worked out to everyone's benefits. One of the successful colonizations
 
The Only Sarge said:
No shit. We count them though. Brazil doesnt keep records. Prison reform is much more than just "pardons". We need culture reform. Then prison/sentencing reform.
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anatta said:
Hey it kind of worked out to everyone's benefits. One of the successful colonizations
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Yes and GB did that in many countries, including Australia, New Zealand, Canada, various countries in Africa whilst not one other colonising nation left even one democracy behind.

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