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Carrier was going to move 2000 jobs, and later cut the number to 1500, and now, with this supposed big deal, are going to only cut 1000, meaning Trump saved 500 jobs, although he and Fox will portray as the Louisiana Purchase.

On top of that, it's in Indiana, where the VP is Governor, and the carrots involved in such deals originate on the State level, meaning he could have done last year. Plus, as usual, the details involved are secret

And the comservatives said Obama saving the auto industry from going under was overrated
 
archives said:
Carrier was going to move 2000 jobs, and later cut the number to 1500, and now, with this supposed big deal, are going to only cut 1000, meaning Trump saved 500 jobs, although he and Fox will portray as the Louisiana Purchase.

On top of that, it's in Indiana, where the VP is Governor, and the carrots involved in such deals originate on the State level, meaning he could have done last year. Plus, as usual, the details involved are secret

And the comservatives said Obama saving the auto industry from going under was overrated
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Correct.
 
Thing1 said:
I'll bet that Trump lets Sessions endanger 100,000+ jobs w/ marijuana policy, as well.
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Rune is arguing in another thread that Fed Law trumps State Law so go ask her about the Marijuana business. Smoke is illegal to the Feds. Has nothing to do with Trump or his cabinet.
 
archives said:
Carrier was going to move 2000 jobs, and later cut the number to 1500, and now, with this supposed big deal, are going to only cut 1000, meaning Trump saved 500 jobs, although he and Fox will portray as the Louisiana Purchase.

On top of that, it's in Indiana, where the VP is Governor, and the carrots involved in such deals originate on the State level, meaning he could have done last year. Plus, as usual, the details involved are secret

And the comservatives said Obama saving the auto industry from going under was overrated
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5 October 2007
Most policymakers and outside observers still make simplistic assumptions about labor and management in the auto industry, assuming, for example, that the industry’s problems can be alleviated just by reducing labor costs and relaxing union work rules.
http://www.epi.org/publication/the-decline-and-resurgence-of-the-u-s-auto-industry/
a Tier 2 wage earner, one of more than 30,000 union autoworkers in the U.S. who make about half as much as their 50,000 Tier 1 colleagues. This caste system was created in 2007, when the United Automobile Workers agreed to cut starting wages to help Chrysler, Ford, and General Motors amid a slowing economy and falling truck sales. The contract protected the $28-an-hour wage of existing workers but created a class of employees with less tenure who started at $14. Benefits were pared back, too.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...omakers-contract-tier-2-workers-are-hot-issue

Union greed pushed the automakers into near bankruptcy in the first place and the US taxpayers bailed them out....
Businesses are not created to benefit the employees.
 
NOVA said:
5 October 2007
Most policymakers and outside observers still make simplistic assumptions about labor and management in the auto industry, assuming, for example, that the industry’s problems can be alleviated just by reducing labor costs and relaxing union work rules.
http://www.epi.org/publication/the-decline-and-resurgence-of-the-u-s-auto-industry/
a Tier 2 wage earner, one of more than 30,000 union autoworkers in the U.S. who make about half as much as their 50,000 Tier 1 colleagues. This caste system was created in 2007, when the United Automobile Workers agreed to cut starting wages to help Chrysler, Ford, and General Motors amid a slowing economy and falling truck sales. The contract protected the $28-an-hour wage of existing workers but created a class of employees with less tenure who started at $14. Benefits were pared back, too.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...omakers-contract-tier-2-workers-are-hot-issue

Union greed pushed the automakers into near bankruptcy in the first place and the US taxpayers bailed them out....
Businesses are not created to benefit the employees.
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Not that that has anything to do with the topic post, but your telling us Obama had absolutely nothing to contribute the auto industry recovering from where it was in 2008? Funny, cause a whole lot of conservatives attached him for doing something, some even said the industry would be better if it went belly up

And no, companies don't exist to benefit the employees, but companies do have a responsibility to the community and country they exist and operate in
 
pence didnt have what trump did to secure the deal. i.e. pence could not threaten to give the defense contracts of UTI to another company if the jobs went.
 
From the earliest days of his campaign, Donald J. Trump made keeping manufacturing jobs in the United States his signature economic issue, and the decision by Carrier, the big air-conditioner company, to move over 2,000 of them from Indiana to Mexico was a tailor-made talking point for him on the stump.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump and Mike Pence, Indiana’s governor and the vice president-elect, plan to appear at Carrier’s Indianapolis factory to announce a deal with the company to keep roughly 1,000 jobs in the state, according to officials with the transition team as well as Carrier.

Mr. Trump will be hard-pressed to alter the economic forces that have hammered the Rust Belt for decades, but forcing Carrier and its parent company, United Technologies, to reverse course is a powerful tactical strike that will hearten his followers even before he takes office.

“I’m ready for him to come,” said Robin Maynard, a 24-year veteran of Carrier who builds high-efficiency furnaces and earns almost $24 an hour. “Now I can put my daughter through college without having to look for another job.”

It also signals that Mr. Trump is a different kind of Republican, willing to take on big business, at least in individual cases.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/2...bs-in-us.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
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archives said:
Carrier was going to move 2000 jobs, and later cut the number to 1500, and now, with this supposed big deal, are going to only cut 1000, meaning Trump saved 500 jobs, although he and Fox will portray as the Louisiana Purchase.

On top of that, it's in Indiana, where the VP is Governor, and the carrots involved in such deals originate on the State level, meaning he could have done last year. Plus, as usual, the details involved are secret

And the comservatives said Obama saving the auto industry from going under was overrated
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Dear idiot; if they were going to cut 2,000 jobs and then agreed to only cut 1,000 jobs, 1,000 jobs were saved. Yes, the people of Indiana and particularly who work for this plant can thank Donald. The workers at the Ford Focus factory can also thank him for forcing Ford to NOT locating that factory to Mexico.

Yes, an Executive who cares and cajoles industry to do what is good for Americans should certainly be lauded. Obama; not so much.
 
So that means the President favored one company over another to save 500 jobs? Doesn't sound like a good deal to me given the lucrative nature of defense contracts

The State of Indiana could have sweeten the deal beforehand, nothing to the scale it is going to be presented Thursday occurred, but reality never stopped Trump from putting one over on the choir
 
archives said:
So that means the President favored one company over another to save 500 jobs? Doesn't sound like a good deal to me given the lucrative nature of defense contracts

The State of Indiana could have sweeten the deal beforehand, nothing to the scale it is going to be presented Thursday occurred, but reality never stopped Trump from putting one over on the choir
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What company did he favor over another for, you moron?
 
archives said:
So that means the President favored one company over another to save 500 jobs? Doesn't sound like a good deal to me given the lucrative nature of defense contracts

The State of Indiana could have sweeten the deal beforehand, nothing to the scale it is going to be presented Thursday occurred, but reality never stopped Trump from putting one over on the choir
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So everybody loses their jobs to Mexico and your good with that versus a guy trying to save those American jobs you wish to criticize?
 
archives said:
So that means the President favored one company over another to save 500 jobs? Doesn't sound like a good deal to me given the lucrative nature of defense contracts

The State of Indiana could have sweeten the deal beforehand, nothing to the scale it is going to be presented Thursday occurred, but reality never stopped Trump from putting one over on the choir
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he should. any company that outsources should have their defense contracts taken away.
 
btw let me just say that carrier is never going to say "we bent over for trump because were bitches" that would cause their stock to crash.

So what did they say

1. Trump threatened the UTI contracts
2. Trump said corporations would get tax breaks - HE ALREADY RAN ON LOWERING CORPORATE TAX
3. Trump said he would ease regulations - HE RAN ON REMOVING 2 REGULATIONS FOR EVERY NEW ONE
4. He would back of the rhethoric of the tariffs - So he wont say them publicly too much.

Translation to the uninformed : Carrier caved when the UTI contracts were threatened and got nothing.
 
tsuke said:
btw let me just say that carrier is never going to say "we bent over for trump because were bitches" that would cause their stock to crash.

So what did they say

1. Trump threatened the UTI contracts
2. Trump said corporations would get tax breaks - HE ALREADY RAN ON LOWERING CORPORATE TAX
3. Trump said he would ease regulations - HE RAN ON REMOVING 2 REGULATIONS FOR EVERY NEW ONE
4. He would back of the rhethoric of the tariffs - So he wont say them publicly too much.

Translation to the uninformed : Carrier caved when the UTI contracts were threatened and got nothing.
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And all we got was 500 jobs in Indiana, hardly worth all the attention conservatives will give it
 
NOVA said:
5 October 2007
Most policymakers and outside observers still make simplistic assumptions about labor and management in the auto industry, assuming, for example, that the industry’s problems can be alleviated just by reducing labor costs and relaxing union work rules.
http://www.epi.org/publication/the-decline-and-resurgence-of-the-u-s-auto-industry/
a Tier 2 wage earner, one of more than 30,000 union autoworkers in the U.S. who make about half as much as their 50,000 Tier 1 colleagues. This caste system was created in 2007, when the United Automobile Workers agreed to cut starting wages to help Chrysler, Ford, and General Motors amid a slowing economy and falling truck sales. The contract protected the $28-an-hour wage of existing workers but created a class of employees with less tenure who started at $14. Benefits were pared back, too.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...omakers-contract-tier-2-workers-are-hot-issue

Union greed pushed the automakers into near bankruptcy in the first place and the US taxpayers bailed them out....
Businesses are not created to benefit the employees.
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No shit fer brains, wrong as usual.
Bush destroyed the auto industry by phasing back the increased CAFE standards Clinton put in place ad well as offering a tax break for giant gas guzzlers. When faced with $4/gal gas the industry crumbled when no one bought the crap Bush/Cheney encouraged them to produce.
 
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