A great man died

#NotMyPresident said:
I mourn the loss of Fidel Castro, and the loss of the Cuban people. Truly the greatest leader in the western hemisphere since George Washington. He will go down in history as a great hero and liberator of his people, and a great bulwark against tyranny. RIP.
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I completely agree.

Castro brought Cuba out of the dark ages of illiteracy, poor health, donkey shows, humiliation, and US and Mafia control.

Today, no donkey shows, Cuba has a higher literacy rate then the US, Cuba has world class health care which is free to all Cubans cradle to grave, and more doctors per capita then any nation on the planet.

Colonized Americans don't have a clue.
 
blackascoal said:
I completely agree.

Castro brought Cuba out of the dark ages of illiteracy, poor health, donkey shows, humiliation, and US and Mafia control.

Today, no donkey shows, Cuba has a higher literacy rate then the US, Cuba has world class health care which is free to all Cubans cradle to grave, and more doctors per capita then any nation on the planet.

Colonized Americans don't have a clue.
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I know the Cubans in Grand Cayman always said they had money but nowhere to spend it nor anything to buy. As for Doctors there weren't any and the facilities were shitholes.
I do agree Batista was a genuine cocksucker and needed to be fed to the hogs.
I do agree there is some parts of Communism that work. But as a whole it sucks bathwater and doesnt work. Chinese and Russians well tell you that.
I do agree in a Communist State education is mandatory or off to the work farms for you. That works. In a free society oftentimes kids are coddled and nothing has any repercussions for them so they skate and don't learn shit.
Castro and Batista both went to far on oppressing people to achieve their unattainable ideologies.
I hope nothing but the best for the Cuban people.
 
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Castro worth $900,000 plus world's largest collection of classic cars

Cuban citizen worth $20/day plus donkey carts

Top-level government and Communist Party officials having access to VIP health treatment, while ordinary people must queue from dawn for a routine test, with no guarantee that the allotted numbers will not run out before it is their turn...many hospitals often with no running water, toilets not flushing, hospital's admitting extremely high risk of infections??? PRICELESS.


The system is free, but it is neither fast nor efficient for two important reasons. One is obviously the lack of financial resources, and the other - which is related to the first - is the "export" of doctors, nurses and dentists in exchange for hard currency. Thousands of Cuban doctors go to Venezuela to provide primary healthcare there. Their tour of duty lasts a minimum of two years and they are paid approximately $50 a month, plus expenses. In exchange, Venezuela sends Cuba petrol, part of which can be sold for hard currency.
 
The Only Sarge said:
I know the Cubans in Grand Cayman always said they had money but nowhere to spend it nor anything to buy. As for Doctors there weren't any and the facilities were shitholes.
I do agree Batista was a genuine cocksucker and needed to be fed to the hogs.
I do agree there is some parts of Communism that work. But as a whole it sucks bathwater and doesnt work. Chinese and Russians well tell you that.
I do agree in a Communist State education is mandatory or off to the work farms for you. That works. In a free society oftentimes kids are coddled and nothing has any repercussions for them so they skate and don't learn shit.
Castro and Batista both went to far on oppressing people to achieve their unattainable ideologies.
I hope nothing but the best for the Cuban people.
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Forbes: Cuba's Surprisingly Cost-Effective Healthcare

Cuba has a long-standing history of international volunteerism and medical diplomacy, via its “ejército de batas blancas” (army of white coats). Cuba has 50,000 health care workers deployed throughout the world, both in underserved areas and as emergency response teams.

For example, Cubans have provided cataract surgery and treatments throughout South America, restoring vision to almost 3.5 million over the years, in exchange receiving political capital, oil subsidies, and funding. They have provided care as well in fighting malaria in Africa, and were ready to help in Haiti after the earthquake and subsequent cholera epidemic. In fact, Ban Ki-moon, Secretary General of the United Nations, stated, “They are always the first to arrive and the last to leave. They remain in place after the crises. Cuba can be proud of its health care system, a model for many countries.“
http://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2014/12/22/cuba-cost-effective-healthcare/#46dabf4e5990

Cuba’s Had A Lung Cancer Vaccine For Years, And Now It’s Coming To The U.S.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/02/22/cuba-lung-cancer-vaccine_n_7267518.html

Cuba's Most Valuable Export: Its Healthcare Expertise
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfri...export-its-healthcare-expertise/#79d16410325c

Cuba’s Health-Care Diplomacy: The Business of Humanitarianism
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/cuba’s-health-care-diplomacy-business-humanitarianism

Castro's legacy and the envy of many nations: social care in Cuba
Cuba’s literacy rate is at 100% and life expectancy parallels first world nations, despite limited funding and supplies

Cuba-trained doctors making difference around the world

Cubans have more doctors per person than anyone else on the planet.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ctors_making_difference_around_the_world.html
 
blackascoal said:
Forbes: Cuba's Surprisingly Cost-Effective Healthcare

Cuba has a long-standing history of international volunteerism and medical diplomacy, via its “ejército de batas blancas” (army of white coats). Cuba has 50,000 health care workers deployed throughout the world, both in underserved areas and as emergency response teams.

For example, Cubans have provided cataract surgery and treatments throughout South America, restoring vision to almost 3.5 million over the years, in exchange receiving political capital, oil subsidies, and funding. They have provided care as well in fighting malaria in Africa, and were ready to help in Haiti after the earthquake and subsequent cholera epidemic. In fact, Ban Ki-moon, Secretary General of the United Nations, stated, “They are always the first to arrive and the last to leave. They remain in place after the crises. Cuba can be proud of its health care system, a model for many countries.“
http://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2014/12/22/cuba-cost-effective-healthcare/#46dabf4e5990

Cuba’s Had A Lung Cancer Vaccine For Years, And Now It’s Coming To The U.S.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/02/22/cuba-lung-cancer-vaccine_n_7267518.html

Cuba's Most Valuable Export: Its Healthcare Expertise
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfri...export-its-healthcare-expertise/#79d16410325c

Cuba’s Health-Care Diplomacy: The Business of Humanitarianism
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/cuba’s-health-care-diplomacy-business-humanitarianism

Castro's legacy and the envy of many nations: social care in Cuba
Cuba’s literacy rate is at 100% and life expectancy parallels first world nations, despite limited funding and supplies

Cuba-trained doctors making difference around the world

Cubans have more doctors per person than anyone else on the planet.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ctors_making_difference_around_the_world.html
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I know BaC. I know. But the Doctors mainly practice out of the country and the facilities are garbage. Have I been there....sorta...Guantanamo Bay...but I dont think that counts. I am just sharing with you the many Cubans (who actually live there) have shared and often how dismal it is. It is not the Nirvana I think your trying to portray it is.
 
If you love Cuba, you gotta love the Russians.

By the way.......those Cuban doctors aren't "volunteers".

Actually, Castro was the ultimate "capitalist". He personally made millions by selling certain products and services (doctors)...he then doled out $20/month to the peasants. Life's good at the top. :)

Trade: Exports-$5.4 billion: sugar and its byproducts,
petroleum, nickel, seafood, citrus, tobacco, rum.
Major markets - USSR, 72%; other Communist countries, 15%.

Imports-$7.6 billion: capital goods, industrial
raw materials, food, petroleum, consumer goods.
Major suppliers - USSR, 72%, other Communist countries, 14%.
 
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The Only Sarge said:
I know BaC. I know. But the Doctors mainly practice out of the country and the facilities are garbage. Have I been there....sorta...Guantanamo Bay...but I dont think that counts. I am just sharing with you the many Cubans (who actually live there) have shared and often how dismal it is. It is not the Nirvana I think your trying to portray it is.
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There are millions more Cubans who stayed in Cuba who tell a far different story .. and I believe them more than any disgruntled Cuban who ran away .. and I have far more faith in the World Health Organization then those people.

Bulletin of the World Health Organization
Cuba’s primary health care revolution: 30 years on
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/5/08-030508/en/

AND, without the US embargo, Cuba would be light years ahead of the US in healthcare. So even while shackled with an embargo from a powerful neighbor, Cuba has excelled FAR beyond anything considered quality of life under Batista and the US thumb.

Yet, in that powerful neighbor to the north, we can't even seem to afford to universal healthcare to our citizens .. something that all civilized nations provide.
 
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That's fine.
But international trade in such simple commodities are typical of 3rd world economies.

Modern Western economies tend to include value add exports:
- cars
- computers
- world class precision instruments (the Germans have a good reputation for optical lenses, Zeiss, Leica, etc.)

Gazprom in Russia (natural gas), and sugar in Cuba hasn't brought either of these economies to full Western European standards.
 
blackascoal said:
There are millions more Cubans who stayed in Cuba who tell a far different story .. and I believe them more than any disgruntled Cuban who ran away .. and I have far more faith in the World Health Organization then those people.

Bulletin of the World Health Organization
Cuba’s primary health care revolution: 30 years on
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/5/08-030508/en/

AND, without the US embargo, Cuba would be light years ahead of the US in healthcare. So even while shackled with an embargo from a powerful neighbor, Cuba has excelled FAR beyond anything considered quality of life under Batista and the US thumb.

Yet, in that powerful neighbor to the north, we can't even seem to afford to universal healthcare to our citizens .. something that all civilized nations provide.
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Well just a couple of points sir.
1. The Cubans I spoke of are not disgruntled Cubans but high up in the Communist Party and live there. In Cuba. The have businesses in Grand Cayman. Most of the liquor stores in Grand Cayman are owned by Cubans,
2. I am struggling here with where your trying to take us. First it is how wonderful the Cuban HealthCare is now it is "it could be better" if not for the embargo.

I think what your saying is maybe "It could be even better?
I dont know man. Let me change gears and tell you about my first hand experience (living and working in) in Nicaragua, Russia, China etc. Fucking suck holes man. Communism just absolutely doesnt work. I mean abstract poverty once you leave the "city" and the privileged few. The working class eats dirt and has nothing.
If your argument is Castro was better for th epeople of Cuba than Batista dictatorship then you and I are going to agree.
Now let me counter with this.
A true open and free society with freedom of speech etc. would be better for Cubans than the oppressive shit hole they have now.
Do you support freedom of speech BaC?
 
blackascoal
SOCIALIST

"Yet, in that powerful neighbor to the north, we can't even seem to afford to universal healthcare to our citizens .. something that all civilized nations provide."


In a free Republic, we have the freedom to work, earn and take care of ourselves and have no need to live as slaves on the government plantation. You say you're a socialist, go live in a socialist country and quit whining about life in the United States.

Have you ever bought a lotto ticket?
 
Stretch said:
blackascoal
SOCIALIST

"Yet, in that powerful neighbor to the north, we can't even seem to afford to universal healthcare to our citizens .. something that all civilized nations provide."


In a free Republic, we have the freedom to work, earn and take care of ourselves and have no need to live as slaves on the government plantation. You say you're a socialist, go live in a socialist country and quit whining about life in the United States.

Have you ever bought a lotto ticket?
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Nah...just two gentlemen having a mature conversation. This is how democracy works. Not fuck you leave. You speak then STFU and listen. IMHO anyway.
 
Stretch said:
Castro worth $900,000 plus world's largest collection of classic cars

Cuban citizen worth $20/day plus donkey carts

Top-level government and Communist Party officials having access to VIP health treatment, while ordinary people must queue from dawn for a routine test, with no guarantee that the allotted numbers will not run out before it is their turn...many hospitals often with no running water, toilets not flushing, hospital's admitting extremely high risk of infections??? PRICELESS.


The system is free, but it is neither fast nor efficient for two important reasons. One is obviously the lack of financial resources, and the other - which is related to the first - is the "export" of doctors, nurses and dentists in exchange for hard currency. Thousands of Cuban doctors go to Venezuela to provide primary healthcare there. Their tour of duty lasts a minimum of two years and they are paid approximately $50 a month, plus expenses. In exchange, Venezuela sends Cuba petrol, part of which can be sold for hard currency.
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Yes I read about that, Cuba has a surplus of doctors but no oil, Venezuela is the exact reverse.

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The Only Sarge said:
I know BaC. I know. But the Doctors mainly practice out of the country and the facilities are garbage. Have I been there....sorta...Guantanamo Bay...but I dont think that counts. I am just sharing with you the many Cubans (who actually live there) have shared and often how dismal it is. It is not the Nirvana I think your trying to portray it is.
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The Cuban pharma industry could become huge if they are able to get foreign investment. The US could easily cut the cost of drugs on the mainland.

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The Only Sarge said:
I know BaC. I know. But the Doctors mainly practice out of the country and the facilities are garbage. Have I been there....sorta...Guantanamo Bay...but I dont think that counts. I am just sharing with you the many Cubans (who actually live there) have shared and often how dismal it is. It is not the Nirvana I think your trying to portray it is.
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All those perks, makes you wonder why so many risk death and incarceration to leave Cuba.
What a bunch of ingrates. :palm:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
All those perks, makes you wonder why so many risk death and incarceration to leave Cuba.
What a bunch of ingrates. :palm:
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Having lived and traveled all over the world....it is funny...when you get to an oppressive country all they whisper to you is get me the fuck outta here....and then when I got back to the greatest country on earth...America........ I hear we suck and Socialism is better. Those folks need to get out of the country for awhile and I assure you they will appreciate our freedom. Is it perfect? Hell no. But we have the freedom to change it. I see libs screaming about thier rights to burn the American flag these days. But then they will be talking up Cuba or China. Try that shit in those countries and say hello to a 9mm Mak in the head.
 
The Only Sarge said:
Having lived and traveled all over the world....it is funny...when you get to an oppressive country all they whisper to you is get me the fuck outta here....and then when I got back to the greatest country on earth...America........ I hear we suck and Socialism is better. Those folks need to get out of the country for awhile and I assure you they will appreciate our freedom. Is it perfect? Hell no. But we have the freedom to change it. I see libs screaming about thier rights to burn the American flag these days. But then they will be talking up Cuba or China. Try that shit in those countries and say hello to a 9mm Mak in the head.
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Since there are those who think life in Cuba was so great, makes me wonder why they didn't go live there and work to make it even greater.??!! :dunno:
 
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