I'm through coddling the white working class

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[1]Paul Krugman dismisses [2] Bernie Sanders's call for a populist Democratic Party that could recapture the white working class by "stand[ing] up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry." Krugman explains why he dismisses Sanders's populist program, which you can read in full for yourself, but here's one telling instance: Take "Clay County, [Kentucky], which the Times declared a few years ago to be the hardest place in America to live….

Independent estimates say that the uninsured rate fell from 27 percent in 2013 to 10 percent in 2016. That’s the effect of the Affordable Care Act, which Mrs. Clinton promised to preserve and extend but Mr. Trump promised to kill. Mr. Trump received 87 percent of Clay County’s vote."

In brief, the white working class rather consistently puts a gun to its (as well as our) head. As an ethnic class, it's economically irrational. "Trump Turning to Ultrawealthy to Steer Economic Policy," screams an above-the-fold NYT headline [3] this morning — an act as predictable any other Trumpian con. Trickle-down conservative elitism has been hustled as a poor man's populism for decades, with predictably ruinous effect. And the suckers took the bait again.
About this, Krugman is as befuddled as any:

The only way to make sense of what happened is to see the vote as an expression of, well, identity politics — some combination of white resentment at what voters see as favoritism toward nonwhites (even though it isn’t) and anger on the part of the less educated at liberal elites whom they imagine look down on them.


To be honest, I don’t fully understand this resentment. In particular, I don’t know why imagined liberal disdain inspires so much more anger than the very real disdain of conservatives who see the poverty of places like eastern Kentucky as a sign of the personal and moral inadequacy of their residents.

Financially, I'm not even up to white working-class status. Nonetheless, I'm sure my left-wing politics cast me, in the eyes of that class, as part of the infamous "liberal elite." I have this to say to them: You don't have to "imagine" that I look down on you. I do. There's nothing imaginary about my disdain for a voting bloc so spectacularly ignorant as to re-elevate a trickle-down conservative elitism that, in the hands of the most disgraceful demagogic buffoon ever, will cause yet more American wreckage. You deserve my disdain. You've earned it.

In Trumpism there reigns one untouchable political correctness: One should never question the virtue of the white working class. This class is superior to all others, it must be coddled, it must be endlessly praised, never criticized. It is the "real America." And yet, in return, the white working class is free to openly disdain all others.

To which I say, Horseshit. You can't doom America to four, grotesque years of Trumpism and then ask for my respect. What's about to befall us is on you — and you alone.

By P.M. Carpenter

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Krugman is really coming unhinged. He was worthless before, but now he's a complete crackpot. Prematurely, he's becoming a grouchy old man.
 
Didn't cartoon Ken used to fancy himself a progressive? Funny he now posts these Krugman articles ripping on Sanders articles.

Gotta love an elite like Krugman lecturing millions on what's best for them. He's almost like a caricature at this point.
 
The reason dems lost white working class is because of the demonization of whites by liberals and the PC movement. White privilege, Whites don't know what its like to be poor, whites are all 100% racist and everything that happens to people of color is YOUR fault. All things said by the Sanders/Stein left. And even by Hillary.

After hearing that shit for years its no wonder they turned out in droves for Trump.
 
Krugman is really coming unhinged. He was worthless before, but now he's a complete crackpot. Prematurely, he's becoming a grouchy old man.

Krugman couldn't predict a sunrise; who the heck cares if he's done "coddling" the people who can't afford to go to the doctor any longer after Obamacare made it "affordable" for everybody but them?
 
Krugman couldn't predict a sunrise; who the heck cares if he's done "coddling" the people who can't afford to go to the doctor any longer after Obamacare made it "affordable" for everybody but them?

OH, "CODDLING".
I thought he had said he was through "CUDDLING".

My bad. :palm:
 
GOP had that autopsy suggesting that because they lost they need to be more friendly with illegal immigration because they need the hispanic vote. they need to be more open to globalization

The dems in their current "autopsy" resist all calls to be less friendly with illegal immigration to win working class votes. Instead they will be fine being more open to globalization.

I predict any autopsy result for any party for the next 50 years will push for more globalization as that is what the donor class want.
 
GOP had that autopsy suggesting that because they lost they need to be more friendly with illegal immigration because they need the hispanic vote. they need to be more open to globalization

The dems in their current "autopsy" resist all calls to be less friendly with illegal immigration to win working class votes. Instead they will be fine being more open to globalization.

I predict any autopsy result for any party for the next 50 years will push for more globalization as that is what the donor class want.

This isn't complicated

Just stop doing the things making whitey a minority. Whitey is fed up with being the reason for the problems of blacks, spics, queers,broads, transtesticals and any other assorted misfit who feels the world hasn't treated them fairly.
 
[FONT=&][1]Paul Krugman dismisses [2] Bernie Sanders's call for a populist Democratic Party that could recapture the white working class by "stand[ing] up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry." Krugman explains why he dismisses Sanders's populist program, which you can read in full for yourself, but here's one telling instance: Take "Clay County, [Kentucky], which the Times declared a few years ago to be the hardest place in America to live….

Independent estimates say that the uninsured rate fell from 27 percent in 2013 to 10 percent in 2016. That’s the effect of the Affordable Care Act, which Mrs. Clinton promised to preserve and extend but Mr. Trump promised to kill. Mr. Trump received 87 percent of Clay County’s vote."
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[FONT=&]In brief, the white working class rather consistently puts a gun to its (as well as our) head. As an ethnic class, it's economically irrational. "Trump Turning to Ultrawealthy to Steer Economic Policy," screams an above-the-fold NYT headline [3] this morning — an act as predictable any other Trumpian con. Trickle-down conservative elitism has been hustled as a poor man's populism for decades, with predictably ruinous effect. And the suckers took the bait again.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]About this, Krugman is as befuddled as any:

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The only way to make sense of what happened is to see the vote as an expression of, well, identity politics — some combination of white resentment at what voters see as favoritism toward nonwhites (even though it isn’t) and anger on the part of the less educated at liberal elites whom they imagine look down on them.


To be honest, I don’t fully understand this resentment. In particular, I don’t know why imagined liberal disdain inspires so much more anger than the very real disdain of conservatives who see the poverty of places like eastern Kentucky as a sign of the personal and moral inadequacy of their residents.

[FONT=&]Financially, I'm not even up to white working-class status. Nonetheless, I'm sure my left-wing politics cast me, in the eyes of that class, as part of the infamous "liberal elite." I have this to say to them: You don't have to "imagine" that I look down on you. I do. There's nothing imaginary about my disdain for a voting bloc so spectacularly ignorant as to re-elevate a trickle-down conservative elitism that, in the hands of the most disgraceful demagogic buffoon ever, will cause yet more American wreckage. You deserve my disdain. You've earned it.
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[FONT=&]In Trumpism there reigns one untouchable political correctness: One should never question the virtue of the white working class. This class is superior to all others, it must be coddled, it must be endlessly praised, never criticized. It is the "real America." And yet, in return, the white working class is free to openly disdain all others.
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[FONT=&]To which I say, Horseshit. You can't doom America to four, grotesque years of Trumpism and then ask for my respect. What's about to befall us is on you — and you alone.

By P.M. Carpenter

pic_nrd_20160328_williamson.jpg


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I think we may have, "mixed signals".

It should be about solving structural problems with our economy, and letting capitalism do the rest.
 
[FONT=&][1]Paul Krugman dismisses [2] Bernie Sanders's call for a populist Democratic Party that could recapture the white working class by "stand[ing] up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry." Krugman explains why he dismisses Sanders's populist program, which you can read in full for yourself, but here's one telling instance: Take "Clay County, [Kentucky], which the Times declared a few years ago to be the hardest place in America to live….

Independent estimates say that the uninsured rate fell from 27 percent in 2013 to 10 percent in 2016. That’s the effect of the Affordable Care Act, which Mrs. Clinton promised to preserve and extend but Mr. Trump promised to kill. Mr. Trump received 87 percent of Clay County’s vote."
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[FONT=&]In brief, the white working class rather consistently puts a gun to its (as well as our) head. As an ethnic class, it's economically irrational. "Trump Turning to Ultrawealthy to Steer Economic Policy," screams an above-the-fold NYT headline [3] this morning — an act as predictable any other Trumpian con. Trickle-down conservative elitism has been hustled as a poor man's populism for decades, with predictably ruinous effect. And the suckers took the bait again.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]About this, Krugman is as befuddled as any:

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The only way to make sense of what happened is to see the vote as an expression of, well, identity politics — some combination of white resentment at what voters see as favoritism toward nonwhites (even though it isn’t) and anger on the part of the less educated at liberal elites whom they imagine look down on them.


To be honest, I don’t fully understand this resentment. In particular, I don’t know why imagined liberal disdain inspires so much more anger than the very real disdain of conservatives who see the poverty of places like eastern Kentucky as a sign of the personal and moral inadequacy of their residents.

[FONT=&]Financially, I'm not even up to white working-class status. Nonetheless, I'm sure my left-wing politics cast me, in the eyes of that class, as part of the infamous "liberal elite." I have this to say to them: You don't have to "imagine" that I look down on you. I do. There's nothing imaginary about my disdain for a voting bloc so spectacularly ignorant as to re-elevate a trickle-down conservative elitism that, in the hands of the most disgraceful demagogic buffoon ever, will cause yet more American wreckage. You deserve my disdain. You've earned it.
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[FONT=&]In Trumpism there reigns one untouchable political correctness: One should never question the virtue of the white working class. This class is superior to all others, it must be coddled, it must be endlessly praised, never criticized. It is the "real America." And yet, in return, the white working class is free to openly disdain all others.
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[FONT=&]To which I say, Horseshit. You can't doom America to four, grotesque years of Trumpism and then ask for my respect. What's about to befall us is on you — and you alone.

By P.M. Carpenter

pic_nrd_20160328_williamson.jpg


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APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE :clap::clap::clap:

Very well said .. AND, points to the very reason why the Left should be smiling.

What's about to befall us is on you — and you alone. :0)

There will be no Obama, Clinton, democrats, or anyone else to blame for what's inevitably about to happen. No one to blame but the so-called 'white working class' ALONE.

Your president and his administration are hated and you have rookies at the helm.

Good luck with that. :0)
 
APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE :clap::clap::clap:

Very well said .. AND, points to the very reason why the Left should be smiling.

What's about to befall us is on you — and you alone. :0)

There will be no Obama, Clinton, democrats, or anyone else to blame for what's inevitably about to happen. No one to blame but the so-called 'white working class' ALONE.

Your president and his administration are hated and you have rookies at the helm.

Good luck with that. :0)

Were you a Bernie guy during the primary? What was your take on Krugman's dismissiveness toward Sanders?
 
Were you a Bernie guy during the primary? What was your take on Krugman's dismissiveness toward Sanders?

Although I supported the Sanders movement, I wasn't a Bernie guy because I thought Clinton had the best chance to win .. and defeating Trump trumped all else.

I think the disconnect between Krugman and Sanders is that Krugman doesn't believe that Sanders has done the hard work necessary to make his agenda a reality. I agree with Krugman when he said that "being on the right side doesn't excuse you from doing the hard thinking." Many liberals suffer from that. It's not enough to just be right on an issue.

However, I disagree with Krugman on his characterizations of Sanders supporters. They don't all fit into the box of 'dreamers.'

One of the best things to come out of this election is the the lowering of the Clinton profile, and the raising of the Sanders movement .. although not necessarily Sanders himself.

Had Clinton won, democrats would have been stuck with the Clinton's forever. Now that they have been moved from center stage, it's time for democrats to move back to the Left and away from the DLC centrism of the Clinton's.
 
just pointing out something here.

GOP hoped for obama to fail. Yet put in place a plan in the autopsy just in case he didnt. I think the plan was disastrously wrong but it was a plan and an acknowledgement they were doing something wrong.

Dems hope Trump will fail and if he doesnt refuse to change anything.
 
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